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Are Narcissists More Likely to Experience Impostor Syndrome?

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Re: Are Narcissists More Likely to Experience Impostor Syndrome?

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Post by ModernMech »

JimboOmega wrote: post #81
Theodores wrote: post #75

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I had to read your comment twice to understand your take on the 'n' word (which I struggle to spell!). In my studying of the narcissism thus far I do look at what happens with the parents, particularly the mum and how extremely early things can go wrong. So I thought it interesting that you mentioned your mum, and it is not really possible to go 'no contact' on close family. I am also interested in how our make up is…

My main point was that the narcissism (I've been copying and pasting, the spelling IS impossible) you're describing being on the pointed of, that's more familiar, is different than the other kind the article talks about. Specifically, having a narcissistic mother and being trans led to me being that other kind, that always feels phony and is always trying to come up with some version of self that's packaged for the a…

I find it's easier to spell if you pronounce it in your head as nark-iss-ism.

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Post by dboat »

DanBC wrote: post #78
scarecrowbob wrote: post #58

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I say this as a person who has been abused by a string of relationships with folks who almost certainly have some variation of NPD, not as a clinician. So take this with a big 'ol grain of salt. A lot of the epistemological problems for people who are pathologically narcissistic come from understanding the difference between how they see things and how other people see things. Part of the pathology is that they have…

For fucks sake.

Could you elaborate?

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Post by scarecrowbob »

DanBC wrote: post #78
scarecrowbob wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I say this as a person who has been abused by a string of relationships with folks who almost certainly have some variation of NPD, not as a clinician. So take this with a big 'ol grain of salt. A lot of the epistemological problems for people who are pathologically narcissistic come from understanding the difference between how they see things and how other people see things. Part of the pathology is that they have…

For fucks sake.

Well shit duder, can you help me understand where my big misunderstandings are? Or am I just so dumb and off base that there is no helping me and I should just go fuck off and die?

Re: Are Narcissists More Likely to Experience Impostor Syndrome?

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Post by xz200 »

Bjartr wrote: post #85
selestify wrote: post #77

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How do you, as an individual, tell if it's you or if it's the environment?

You speak with a professional

Who gets paid for finding and promoting "disorders" and has learned "disorders" from a multiple choice app in med school.

Re: Are Narcissists More Likely to Experience Impostor Syndrome?

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Post by timr »

gizmo385 wrote: post #17
timr wrote: post #14

Statistically, half of all people with Impostor Syndrome aren't suffering from a syndrome at all. They're actually not very competent.

> Statistically You got anything to back up that claim? That sounds like a pretty big conclusion that you're jumping to without evidence.

"You got anything to back up that claim? That sounds like a pretty big conclusion that you're jumping to without evidence."

It's not a "claim". It's literally the null hypothesis: two traits are assumed to be uncorrelated unless proven otherwise.

If you want to claim that a sense of "impostor syndrome" is actually indicative of increased skill, it's your job to prove it.

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Post by thr0awaz »

barberousse wrote: post #49
thr0awaz wrote: post #31

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no... there really are people out there that really think they're better than you, on an existential level, and that the only reason you're better at any one thing than them is because they haven't gotten around to doing it better than you yet. The short test for narcissism is: "Are you a narcissist?" Actual, pathological, narcissists answer 'yes' so often that it's almost useful as a diagnostic tool. Most people hav…

>Actual, pathological, narcissists answer 'yes' so often that it's almost useful as a diagnostic too Citation?

https://psychcentral.com/news/2014/08/06/it-takes-just-one-q...

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In a series of 11 experiments involving more than 2,200 people of all ages, the researchers found they could reliably identify narcissistic people by asking them this exact question (including the note):

To what extent do you agree with this statement: “I am a narcissist.” (Note: The word “narcissist” means egotistical, self-focused, and vain.)

Participants rated themselves on a scale of one (not very true of me) to seven (very true of me).

(snip)

Results showed that people’s answer to this question lined up very closely with several other validated measures of narcissism, including the widely used Narcissistic Personality Inventory (NPI).

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Post by internet555 »

sbilstein wrote: post #62
nobody271 wrote: post #46

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This is why I find the idea of promoting "mental health awareness" to be disturbing. It's far too tempting to say you know why someone acts some way, or that the way they are acting is a disorder, based on one or two observations. I do the same thing though. I really wish I understood myself half as well as I think I understand other people.

Armchair diagnosis is dangerous IMO. It can be a form of gaslighting. Sure everyone can benefit from therapy, meditation and improving systems for managing sadness, frustration, impatience but telling yourself or someone else you have ADD, compulsive disorder, anxiety is a great way to pop the self esteem bubble and confidence you need to get through life. In the workplace it's especial dangerous; you can force someo…

When I was a teen I ended up in a lot of outpatient mental health stuff (similar story, abusive parents who were very convinced they were normal) and the girls I was friends with there would outcast anyone who started diagnosing people colloquially like that from the main group. If anyone does it to anyone in my life I instantly write them off as a moron and probable manipulator.

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Post by Viliam1234 »

selestify wrote: post #77
sbilstein wrote: post #62

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Armchair diagnosis is dangerous IMO. It can be a form of gaslighting. Sure everyone can benefit from therapy, meditation and improving systems for managing sadness, frustration, impatience but telling yourself or someone else you have ADD, compulsive disorder, anxiety is a great way to pop the self esteem bubble and confidence you need to get through life. In the workplace it's especial dangerous; you can force someo…

How do you, as an individual, tell if it's you or if it's the environment?

A strong hint is if you change the environment, and the problems suddenly disappear.

If the problems disappear slowly, it could have been the environment, but it also could be your personal growth. But if they disappear overnight...

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Post by ada1981 »

Sharlin wrote: post #70
ada1981 wrote: post #60

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It makes sense if you understand that mental health “diagnosis” has a primary function as a tool for control and status (either boosting the status of the prescriber or reducing the status of the patient). Primate dominance games.

Mental health diagnoses are as valid and useful as physical health diagnoses.

I disagree with this.

If someone has a broken arm it’s observable and it’s pretty clear what the next step is.

With mental health diagnosis it’s not clear what the underlying issue is and at best you’ll be given something to supress symptoms.

We are doing a bit better on this with things like Psychedelics and Open Dialogue, but mental health is more of a context than a condition.

Re: Are Narcissists More Likely to Experience Impostor Syndrome?

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Post by ada1981 »

sbilstein wrote: post #83
Sharlin wrote: post #70

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Mental health diagnoses are as valid and useful as physical health diagnoses.

I think OP meant non-professionals. A mental health diagnosis from a laymen is no different than saying "you're crazy!"

This is true as well. But historically diagnosis was used as a way to strip liberty away from people.

Women who refused to sleep with husbands were routinely committed.

Capitalism is intense and is resulting in mental health issues for many people. The system doesn’t self critique rather it labels the people as “ill” and sells them a pill, at a profit of course.

The practitioners often benefit and reinforce the dynamics that create the symptoms in our culture.

Open Dialogue is an approach which does a great job at healing folks in the context of community.

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