Morocco abruptly drops clock change • Hacker News Board

Re: Morocco abruptly drops clock change

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Post by wahern » Sat, Oct 27, 2018, 12:11 AM UTC

School-Cotton wrote: post #27

nancyp wrote: post #5

US should do the same. Drop DST please! but not abruptly with a Trumpy Tweet.

Time zones in the US are a matter for the sovereign states, not the federal government. There already exists at least one US member state that doesn’t practice DST: Arizona.

Interestingly, this is an enumerated power under the U.S. Constitution. Article 1 section 8 explicitly grants Congress the power to "fix the Standard of Weights and Measures".

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_One_of_the_United_Stat...

Re: Morocco abruptly drops clock change

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Post by spiritcat » Sat, Oct 27, 2018, 12:17 AM UTC

sonnyblarney wrote: post #4

Maybe a few months heads up would be nice. You know the world is integrated now: flights, trains, shipments etc. etc..

eh, good good test for all those systems so it might go smoothly when we finally do it here

Re: Morocco abruptly drops clock change

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Post by yen223 » Sat, Oct 27, 2018, 12:46 AM UTC

jstanley wrote: post #39

neonate wrote: post #17

I'm glad they decided to keep summer time. I live in fear that we'll decide to abolish DST but keep the darker evenings all year round.

Your timezone does not dictate how dark your evenings are. The days have exactly the same amount of daylight regardless of what numbers you choose to label the hours with.

I propose we solve the obesity crisis by shifting all weights by 10kg down.

Re: Morocco abruptly drops clock change

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Post by failrate » Sat, Oct 27, 2018, 12:50 AM UTC

I love Morocco that much more.

Re: Morocco abruptly drops clock change

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Post by gbear605 » Sat, Oct 27, 2018, 12:58 AM UTC

Arubis wrote: post #14

sys_64738 wrote: post #6

I'd also like to see New England move to Atlantic Standard Time. I was there last winter and it got dark before 5pm!

I love this idea, though I suspect economic ties to NYC will prevent it.

Massachusetts would switch just to spite NYC.

Re: Morocco abruptly drops clock change

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Post by kmm » Sat, Oct 27, 2018, 12:58 AM UTC

Symbiote wrote: post #31

Can't we keep the link with solar noon? Morocco should be on UTC, most of the cities fit neatly in that timezone. They could have made this decision on Monday

I'm curious to know, what is the point of linking to solar time? What advantage is there to the Sun reaching its highest point at 12 'o clock?

Most people are awake for about 6 hours before noon, and about 10 hours after. Most social events also happen after the work day. So our day is already shifted from what would logically follow from our clock. Being on +2 already feels like a compromise between the two.

I'd love it if getting up at 4am and going to bed at 8pm was the norm, and solar noon was the exact midpoint of the day, but as I am not a recluse I cannot start that trend, and therefore shifting the timezones seems more reasonable.

Re: Morocco abruptly drops clock change

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Post by cesarb » Sat, Oct 27, 2018, 1:10 AM UTC

umeshunni wrote: post #11

Brazil abruptly decided to delay the start of daylight savings time by a few weeks due to elections and a number of (unpatched?) Android phones showed the wrong time: https://androidcommunity.com/brazils-dst-change-inadvertentl...

It wasn't abrupt, tzdata 2018c from January already had that change: https://access.redhat.com/errata/RHEA-2018:0232

What was abrupt was that this month they decided to delay it even more due to the ENEM (https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exame_Nacional_do_Ensino_M%C3%...), and a few days later went back on that, keeping only the previous delay due to the elections.

What happened with smartphones is that most are configured to automatically track the timezone from the carrier, and some carriers didn't set it up correctly. So when the normal date for DST arrived this Sunday, these phones entered daylight savings time, even though this should happen only two weeks later.

(And of course, there's always the servers with unpatched software from 2016, and the servers with the Oracle JVM which for some reason uses its own copy of the tzdata database...)

Re: Morocco abruptly drops clock change

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Post by xxpor » Sat, Oct 27, 2018, 1:13 AM UTC

sys_64738 wrote: post #6

I'd also like to see New England move to Atlantic Standard Time. I was there last winter and it got dark before 5pm!

Youd love Seattle, where sunset is at roughly 4:20 in late December.

Otoh, it doesn't get truly dark until 10 in June.

Re: Morocco abruptly drops clock change

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Post by sonnyblarney » Sat, Oct 27, 2018, 1:16 AM UTC

toyg wrote: post #64

sonnyblarney wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Easier absolutely means something and I'm not suggesting we dump democracy. FYI - most of your government, wherever you are from, is run by bureaucratic edict, not by political means. The heads of government agencies often wield immense power and have no need to respond to voters interest because there's effectively too much 'on the ballot' so to speak, and too much mundane detail for voters to understand. An technic…

Having someone say that, for example, “from tomorrow all your health data will be in Google Docs!” is likely to generate caos and harm people. Democratic government must operate on scales measured in decades, not months, and make sure to be as inclusive as possible (remote island with satellite internet? Probably will oppose any solution with 80mb of single-page JS. Etc etc). This makes for slow progress. It’s just h…

"“from tomorrow all your health data will be in Google Docs"

Who is advocating that? Nobody. I didn't even infer that.

What I want is some highly talented and organized people, like those from Google, to take over IT for Healthcare in Canada, and then shift our non-existent IT solutions over to something that works. Because right now it's a non-existent bureaucratic mess.

"Modern society is just big and complex, no matter how hard we wish that weren’t the case"

I didn't say it wasn't.

But that doesn't mean that many governments aren't supremely inefficient in many areas. Canadian Healthcare IT being a big one.

CGI, a Canadian IT company spent $2B making the Obamacare sign up website - something a handful of Google Engineers had to come in and fix. They basically wrote much of it from scratch.

Re: Morocco abruptly drops clock change

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Post by sonnyblarney » Sat, Oct 27, 2018, 1:25 AM UTC

robertAngst wrote: post #67

sonnyblarney wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it has nothing to do with Democracy. Frankly, central authority should make this kind of stuff easier because a central entity can take into consideration all of the bureaucracies and do what needs to be done. In Democracies, pushing through such changes has to be a nightmare - so many competing interests, populism, you have to find the right legislative window, legislation is burdened with irrelevant stuff,…

Its crazy to me that this style of thinking is re-surging. Between this and recent nationalist movements, I'm concerned that our generation will be responsible for a regression in progress.

What's 'crazy' is that people would think this is crazy. Or even a new idea or an idea that ever went away.

And what does this have to do with Nationalism? Nothing.

Someone suggests something not normative and people yell 'Trump'?

Consider how South Korea, Japan, France, UK, Germany, Poland, Belgium were re-built after the war?

It was mostly centrally planned management by powers, taking a lot of orders from Washington. 'post war' is a great opportunity for central power as most of the value creating enterprises are obvious, and very low hanging fruit: i.e. 'we need schools, and roads, and electricity where all that has been undone'.

Nobody is suggesting totalitarianism, some people just point out that in many cases, a well organized and efficient control system is much better than bureaucratic kludge.