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Copyright Office Ruling Imposes Sweeping Right to Repair Reforms

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Re: Copyright Office Ruling Imposes Sweeping Right to Repair Reforms

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Post by geggam »

cptskippy wrote: post #174
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would you feel about a regular petrol car having extended range as an option, but you knew the shorter range model had exactly the same tank but the fuel gauge was calibrated differently, and the fuel pump stopped pumping before the tank was really empty.

The differentiator the consumer is paying for is range, not # of cells in the battery. If you buy a 2ghz CPU and it turns out it can run at 2.5ghz but is locked at 2ghz, are you being cheated or getting what you paid for?

If you buy a car with a speed limiter are you being cheated or can you remove it ?

This ruling says you have the right to remove that limit.

Re: Copyright Office Ruling Imposes Sweeping Right to Repair Reforms

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Post by geggam »

jedberg wrote: post #120
nimbius wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i started learning python in my spare time after I attended a training course for shop software that ran on Linux. As for the pi, theyre awesome. for $30 or so I have a computer powerful enough to pull OBD codes and do pretty much anything else in the shop wirelessly. And if someone drop it, backs over it, or splashes it with friction modifier or something I can just ask my boss for $40 to replace it instead of $1400…

Can you point me at some good tutorials on making a pi read ODBC codes?

https://www.macchina.cc/

Re: Copyright Office Ruling Imposes Sweeping Right to Repair Reforms

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Post by cptskippy »

tempestn wrote: post #124
cptskippy wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tesla set up DRM to artificially limit the driving range of their cars until you pay them a ransom to simply let your car drive longer distances! That's a lie. Yes they have DRM in place to artificially limit the range of certain models, everything else you said is mischaracterization, misrepresentation, and lies. They saw opportunity in offering different ranged batteries of the same model, however the cost to pro…

Seems like a stretch to (repeatedly) characterize your parent's post as a "lie". You're both characterizing the same practice in different ways. I'm inclined to agree with everything else you said (although I dislike the barriers to independent maintenance of Teslas in general), but the parent's post was a spin, not a lie.

Calling it ransom isn't spin, it's disingenuous.

They paid for x range and received x range. They were given a standing offer to increase that range for a cost significantly less than the cost of replacing or physically upgrading the battery.

Now if they had paid for 120kwh batteries and received 120kwh batteries that would only deliver 100kwh of range then we'd be having and entirely different conversation.

Re: Copyright Office Ruling Imposes Sweeping Right to Repair Reforms

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Post by cptskippy »

geggam wrote: post #181
cptskippy wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The differentiator the consumer is paying for is range, not # of cells in the battery. If you buy a 2ghz CPU and it turns out it can run at 2.5ghz but is locked at 2ghz, are you being cheated or getting what you paid for?

If you buy a car with a speed limiter are you being cheated or can you remove it ? This ruling says you have the right to remove that limit.

I'm not arguing your question. I am calling it a lie to say Tesla was ransoming extended range.

They weren't ransoming anything. They gave the customer the range they paid for and never took anything away.

Re: Copyright Office Ruling Imposes Sweeping Right to Repair Reforms

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Post by mastazi »

cptskippy wrote: post #115
quadrangle wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ford is basically stopping production of cars anyway as they found that trucks are more profitable. But yeah, don't buy one of their trucks either. But what manufacturer is an alternative? Tesla set up DRM to artificially limit the driving range of their cars until you pay them a ransom to simply let your car drive longer distances!

> Tesla set up DRM to artificially limit the driving range of their cars until you pay them a ransom to simply let your car drive longer distances! That's a lie. Yes they have DRM in place to artificially limit the range of certain models, everything else you said is mischaracterization, misrepresentation, and lies. They saw opportunity in offering different ranged batteries of the same model, however the cost to pro…

>(parent) That's a lie

OK let's see where is this lie...

> (grandparent): Tesla set up DRM to artificially limit the driving range

> (parent): Yes they have DRM in place to artificially limit the range of certain models

OK no lie here. So it must be in the second part of GP's comment?

> (gp): until you pay them a ransom to simply let your car drive longer distances

> (p): they instead offer it as an upgrade path if you one day have a need for the additional range

So you just confirmed everything from GP's comment, where are the "mischaracterization, misrepresentation, and lies" you speak of?

Re: Copyright Office Ruling Imposes Sweeping Right to Repair Reforms

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Post by cptskippy »

wnevets wrote: post #135
cptskippy wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tesla set up DRM to artificially limit the driving range of their cars until you pay them a ransom to simply let your car drive longer distances! That's a lie. Yes they have DRM in place to artificially limit the range of certain models, everything else you said is mischaracterization, misrepresentation, and lies. They saw opportunity in offering different ranged batteries of the same model, however the cost to pro…

So DRM to artificially limit the driving range of their cars?

I'm not a lawyer but I would say so. The question isn't what they did but rather is it ransom or wrong?

Re: Copyright Office Ruling Imposes Sweeping Right to Repair Reforms

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Post by krrrh »

skunkworker wrote: post #8

It doesn't mention it in this article but this could also have a profound effect on John Deere and allowing farmers to fix their own hardware. https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/xykkkd/why-americ... https://hackaday.com/2018/02/11/will-john-deere-finally-get-...

It is actually mentioned:

“Repair of motorized land vehicles (including tractors) by modifying the software is now legal. Importantly, this includes access to telematic diagnostic data—which was a major point of contention.”

Along with this flabbergasting detail:

“You may find this hard to believe, but one major point of discussion at the hearing was whether letting people repair cars and tractors would allow them to pirate music and movies using the vehicle’s entertainment systems. In their 2015 filing, John Deere speculated that farmers might pirate Taylor Swift music using their equipment. Fortunately, the Copyright Office saw through that argument.”

Re: Copyright Office Ruling Imposes Sweeping Right to Repair Reforms

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Post by matheusmoreira »

larrymcp wrote: post #82

I was curious about one of the exceptions that he mentioned: > Our game console repair petition was denied, meaning repairs of PS4 and Xbox One systems are going to stay expensive. Wonder why game systems were excluded? They're basically computers too.

Same reason repairs that required bypassing HDCP were denied: it would weaken the effectiveness of the DRM implemented by current high definition media formats. The billion dollar copyright industry won't stand for that.

Re: Copyright Office Ruling Imposes Sweeping Right to Repair Reforms

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Post by Retra »

femto wrote: post #160

This sounds like a niche for a small Pacific island. Islands like Jersey and the Cook Islands tailor their legal systems to cater for those who want a looser financial system. A small state could tailor their laws for those who want to repair things and potentially make a very nice "high tech" economy out of reverse engineering, importing broken stuff and exporting fixed stuff. Copyright holders might try and block a…

Can a country set up an embassy to conduct trade in violation of the host's laws?
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