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As a female engineer, I am not diversity

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Re: As a female engineer, I am not diversity

#61

I'm going to say it. The most excluded group in SV are conservative republicans. Its a death sentence to your career to come out as one. If you truly value diversity, their point of view is the most absent from tech.

> their point of view is the most absent from tech.

How so?

Re: As a female engineer, I am not diversity

#62
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the point is that the diversity she brings isn’t enough diversity to justify her as someone who is adding to diversity in a tech company. You could add 1000s of women like her and the company wouldn’t be particularly different.

It seems obvious that adding 1000s of women like her would absolutely meaningfully change the company though

Adding 1000 people would change most companies, regardless of what those people look or think like.

Re: As a female engineer, I am not diversity

#63

I'm going to say it. The most excluded group in SV are conservative republicans. Its a death sentence to your career to come out as one. If you truly value diversity, their point of view is the most absent from tech.

Universities are similar, claiming they champion diversity, but (usually) not wanting diverse political thought.

This is another case of shitting all over something for years and years and then trying to play the victim.

Re: As a female engineer, I am not diversity

#64

I'm going to say it. The most excluded group in SV are conservative republicans. Its a death sentence to your career to come out as one. If you truly value diversity, their point of view is the most absent from tech.

It's also the most incompatible point of view. They do not want to be around diversity.

The word "diversity" is kinda loosing it's meaning when there's a specific thing to be described as "diversity".

Re: As a female engineer, I am not diversity

#65
post #7

This article is part of the problem. By pointing out that she does not contribute to "diversity" because of her economic and cultural background, the author reinforces the idea that those are the interesting ingredients of this elusive "diversity." She says nothing about her ideas, interests, or opinions. Does she perhaps add to diversity by having original thoughts? Or are her political opinions and taste in music p…

You said (in a much better way) part of what I was trying to say in another post. She reduces herself to bullet points and ignores all of the things that I would consider critical parts of what makes people different. Upon a reread, I think that was her point. Measuring diversity based on a few predefined attributes makes no sense. Creating diversity by hiring someone because they're female isn't the answer, we need…

Thank you for your thoughtful response!

>>> Measuring diversity based on a few predefined attributes makes no sense. Creating diversity by hiring someone because they're female isn't the answer, we need to go beyond that to truly have diversity.

I think I might have been a tad overdramatic by just saying "I'm not diversity" in the title, but what you wrote above there is exactly what I'm trying to communicate: diversity is more than just bullet points, we need to see it more holistically.

Re: As a female engineer, I am not diversity

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post #4

If men and women are completely interchangeable, physically and psychologically, then this article makes a lot of sense. But if women really do have something different (at least on average) to bring to the table, then this women really does add diversity. The purpose of diversity is not quotas, but differences that work together and add something to the whole.

I'm not saying men and women shouldn't work together, but isn't office drama related to sexual tension something to subtract from that complementarity as well? In my working life I've seen (and also experienced) a lot of productivity-eating unresolved sexual tension, including between people who were married/had partners and didn't reeeally want to mate, at least not rationally. I mean, I know men behave like pigs at…

If a man cannot do his job while around a woman, that's undeniable proof that said man is immature and lacks basic discipline. That's grounds for dismissal: it's not the company's job to train aan how to act properly and not treat women as sexual objects.

Re: As a female engineer, I am not diversity

#68

In reference to the point she makes about people not assuming women are developers, I now make it a point to assume two things about most everyone (male and female identifying) that I meet in tech: 1) That they are competent and smart until they definitely prove otherwise to me. 2) That they are technical and interested in technology. It's worked really well for me so far. In practice it means when I meet someone I s…

I try to do the same, and I share your experience. That said, sometimes it gets awkward in funny ways. A few months ago I was at a conference/event selling our product (booth and everything), talking to two young Polish girls who were running a tech startup. I don't recall the details by heart, but it was some marketplace I think. Our product is relatively technical, so your approach, "You're a dev, right?" usually p…

Haven't they seen TV recently? Every hacker is now a hot young chick, since 2010 or so.

I suppose it makes up for the past somehow, but would be nice if the pendulum could come back to center at some point.

Re: As a female engineer, I am not diversity

#69

> "I’m not bringing in the diverse perspective that is so critical to the success of any company." Based on what evidence, or even logic, is diversity critical to the success of even some companies? Let alone any company?

Here are a few articles on why diversity is good for business: https://techcrunch.com/2018/01/18/diverse-teams-are-still-re... https://www.inc.com/ian-altman/5-reasons-why-workplace-diver...

I wonder if those studies got correlation vs causation correctly. Maybe well-doing companies have more satellite offices. Or particular cities have become magnets for people to come do business and have good ecosystem for kickstarting their growth.

Re: As a female engineer, I am not diversity

#70
post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also the most incompatible point of view. They do not want to be around diversity.

The word "diversity" is kinda loosing it's meaning when there's a specific thing to be described as "diversity".

If people who look, think, dress, act, love, or worship differently than they do are "a specific thing", then sure.
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