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Ditching Windows: 2 Weeks with Ubuntu Linux on the Dell XPS 13

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Re: Ditching Windows: 2 Weeks with Ubuntu Linux on the Dell XPS 13

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Macs have the App Store, which works well for GUI programs. On the CLI side I have played with Brew (and Fink a long time ago), but I prefer MacPorts because it feels more solid (at the expense of not having all of the bleeding edge stuff.

Ah, yes, but my package manager covers every piece of software I use. No specialized update services. It seems like a small thing, but it's more pleasant.

Oh yes! We solved that problem in the early 2000's.

Re: Ditching Windows: 2 Weeks with Ubuntu Linux on the Dell XPS 13

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What? So XPS 13 which you can buy with Ubuntu preinstalled still has parts of the hardware not working after "a few hours configuring everything"? I can't understand how that's acceptable to anyone. Literally every laptop I've installed Linux on had a litany of driver problems.

Compared to installing Windows, which often lacks drivers for the network adapters, installing Linux is a breeze. Good luck getting those Windows drivers without a working internet connection. And good luck explaining your solution to the average, non-technical user.

What? That doesn't make any sense at all. Someone goes through the trouble of developing a network adapter and doesn't provide a Windows driver??? What DO they provide drivers for then??

Re: Ditching Windows: 2 Weeks with Ubuntu Linux on the Dell XPS 13

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When was the last time `apt dist-upgrade` did delete all your files? Oh... Never ;-) It's hard to read all these opinions when my own experience with Windows is that I won't touch it with a pole. And God help me if the wireless fails (my wife's corporate issued Windows laptop could connect with the Starbucks across the road, but not with the stock D-Link at home) because there are at least 3 vendor specific control p…

> When was the last time `apt dist-upgrade` did delete all your files? Oh... Never ;-) On the other hand, I have had it brick the package manager to the point that only reinstalling the OS from scratch would fix it, or break perfectly functional existing applications by replacing their libraries with incompatible versions. I think if you look around you'll find that Linux Desktop users are also remarkably tolerant of…

I don't remember when was the last time I had to edit a config file on a workstation or compile a program from source or set a kernel boot parameter (other than because I wanted my console to default to green on black). I'm pretty sure the last time was before 2010, possibly before 2005.

We containerize apps for a multitude of reasons, one of which is for ease of integration. Security is also an interesting reason for that. And, once you get the API stable, it's conceivable to replace it with VMs or off-board processors.

Re: Ditching Windows: 2 Weeks with Ubuntu Linux on the Dell XPS 13

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On reflecting the writer's use-case, and my own use-cases for enjoying both Linux (Ubuntu, but Gnome3 no Unity) and Windows: I've used Linux for 15 years. It truly was a pain getting things like ADSL modems (wired) connecting. But that was 15 years ago and not the point of this post. I use Linux at home - Gnome gives me no task-bar, or a highly customisable one if I want that. I'm focused in the application that I'm…

Exactly. I've used all 3 major OSs and when we get into these discussions, you have to look at how each has its own pain points to be fair. Overall, Linux is a clear win for me. But YMMV, indeed.

It's a big problem though that when pain points are brought up the response is often to just point at one of the other OSs's pain points and dismiss the criticism. Unfortunately we can do very little to make Windows or MacOS better other than complain to the deaf ears of the companies that own them, but theoretically Linux Desktop could be better if complaints weren't simply dismissed in this fashion.

Re: Ditching Windows: 2 Weeks with Ubuntu Linux on the Dell XPS 13

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>once I've spent a few hours configuring everything This is what stops noobs from using it.

Whoever first brings to market a laptop with Linux that "just works" 100% from the moment you press the on button, is poised to make a lot of money. That day will probably never arrive, but it's fun to think about.

I don't think there's ever been a computer that meets that specification. Maybe the Apollo flight computer?

Re: Ditching Windows: 2 Weeks with Ubuntu Linux on the Dell XPS 13

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Glad that Ubuntu works well for the author, but I've used Ubuntu on and off for a good 5+ years, and could fill a book with small things that just don't work quite right, and cumulatively makes it feel like I'm fighting the computer instead of working with it. As a brief taste: * No trackpad swipe gestures (plus many more subtle trackpad issues) * Pre-Wayland the only way to attach a second screen at a different DPI…

my biggest wtf was when after rebooting after an update, the disk decryption didn't like my password anymore. turns out, the keyboard layout was switched and my password contained special characters.

I had something similar happen with a CentOS install. For some reason, the keyboard layout of the installer was in UK English, but rebooting after installation set it to US English, causing my password to not work.

Re: Ditching Windows: 2 Weeks with Ubuntu Linux on the Dell XPS 13

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There was an interesting thread on Reddit [1] the other day which did a breakdown of the state of gaming in terms of native games and games that can be run easily via Steam Play (aka 'Proton', Valve's in-built WINE+DXVK layer). The results were quite interesting and, as one of the replies pointed out in another breakdown, Linux now competes with (and in some ways beats) gaming on macOS in terms of size of catalogue.…

macOS can't really be considered a proper gaming competitor to Linux, since it runs on very limited hardware. You can't use it for demanding games, unlike Linux.

https://www.apple.com/imac-pro/

Re: Ditching Windows: 2 Weeks with Ubuntu Linux on the Dell XPS 13

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Exactly. I've used all 3 major OSs and when we get into these discussions, you have to look at how each has its own pain points to be fair. Overall, Linux is a clear win for me. But YMMV, indeed.

It's a big problem though that when pain points are brought up the response is often to just point at one of the other OSs's pain points and dismiss the criticism. Unfortunately we can do very little to make Windows or MacOS better other than complain to the deaf ears of the companies that own them, but theoretically Linux Desktop could be better if complaints weren't simply dismissed in this fashion.

Yeah, I agree.

I've really taken the time to look at the pros and cons of each, but even a bundled list like that would likely not be useful to anyone else.

But at least I can fix the flaws I see on Linux (often).

Re: Ditching Windows: 2 Weeks with Ubuntu Linux on the Dell XPS 13

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post #90

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Macs have the App Store, which works well for GUI programs. On the CLI side I have played with Brew (and Fink a long time ago), but I prefer MacPorts because it feels more solid (at the expense of not having all of the bleeding edge stuff.

Ah, yes, but my package manager covers every piece of software I use. No specialized update services. It seems like a small thing, but it's more pleasant.

And if it doesn't cover software you use, then it sucks to be you. Or if you want to install an application to a different disk. Or if you want to have two different versions of an application installed. Or if you want to use an application that relies on dependencies your package manager has decided are incompatible. The package management paradigm has its own set of limitations and flaws.

Re: Ditching Windows: 2 Weeks with Ubuntu Linux on the Dell XPS 13

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As someone who has just released[1] a first access game across Windows, macOS and Linux: 10 years ago developing on linux as a game developer was way worse than windows and MacOS, now there is no real difference at all. I speak as a long time UNIX user, Linux was terrible for C++ devleopment, debugging and asset creation/viewing (compared to the others) making gamedev tougher than it needed to be. 10 years ago linux'…

> It's still a PITA to deploy a compiled app on Linux with unclear glibc versions and amazingly it's worse than MS DLL hell of MSVC redistributable shambles. One option is to statically link against musl libc [1]. The kernel ABI is about the only stable thing you can rely on (which is something you _can't_ rely on for macOS or Windows). [1] https://www.musl-libc.org/

Thank you. musl looks very interesting. It's something I didn't consider, I'll add it to my research list :)
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