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Ditching Windows: 2 Weeks with Ubuntu Linux on the Dell XPS 13

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Re: Ditching Windows: 2 Weeks with Ubuntu Linux on the Dell XPS 13

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>once I've spent a few hours configuring everything This is what stops noobs from using it.

Whoever first brings to market a laptop with Linux that "just works" 100% from the moment you press the on button, is poised to make a lot of money. That day will probably never arrive, but it's fun to think about.

Doesn't System76 do that?

Re: Ditching Windows: 2 Weeks with Ubuntu Linux on the Dell XPS 13

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There was an interesting thread on Reddit [1] the other day which did a breakdown of the state of gaming in terms of native games and games that can be run easily via Steam Play (aka 'Proton', Valve's in-built WINE+DXVK layer). The results were quite interesting and, as one of the replies pointed out in another breakdown, Linux now competes with (and in some ways beats) gaming on macOS in terms of size of catalogue.…

As someone who has just released[1] a first access game across Windows, macOS and Linux: 10 years ago developing on linux as a game developer was way worse than windows and MacOS, now there is no real difference at all. I speak as a long time UNIX user, Linux was terrible for C++ devleopment, debugging and asset creation/viewing (compared to the others) making gamedev tougher than it needed to be. 10 years ago linux'…

Containers could be a way out for deployment, if the mixing of licenses can be constructed in a tractable way.

Re: Ditching Windows: 2 Weeks with Ubuntu Linux on the Dell XPS 13

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What? So XPS 13 which you can buy with Ubuntu preinstalled still has parts of the hardware not working after "a few hours configuring everything"? I can't understand how that's acceptable to anyone. Literally every laptop I've installed Linux on had a litany of driver problems.

Compared to installing Windows, which often lacks drivers for the network adapters, installing Linux is a breeze. Good luck getting those Windows drivers without a working internet connection. And good luck explaining your solution to the average, non-technical user.

The situation is pretty similar for both. If your driver isn't part of the install, you have to go find it on the internet. With Windows, this usually isn't too bad because it has stable driver ABIs, but with Linux you may have to compile the driver to get it to work.

That said, it's been a long time since I last saw this situation on either OS.

Re: Ditching Windows: 2 Weeks with Ubuntu Linux on the Dell XPS 13

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who has just released[1] a first access game across Windows, macOS and Linux: 10 years ago developing on linux as a game developer was way worse than windows and MacOS, now there is no real difference at all. I speak as a long time UNIX user, Linux was terrible for C++ devleopment, debugging and asset creation/viewing (compared to the others) making gamedev tougher than it needed to be. 10 years ago linux'…

even with snaps or whatever that thing ubuntu has?

Not everyone is on Ubuntu.

I currently have eight VMs each with different distros. Mostly it's for testing library compatability on install and input weirdness.

That's a lot of testing.

Re: Ditching Windows: 2 Weeks with Ubuntu Linux on the Dell XPS 13

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post #18

There was an interesting thread on Reddit [1] the other day which did a breakdown of the state of gaming in terms of native games and games that can be run easily via Steam Play (aka 'Proton', Valve's in-built WINE+DXVK layer). The results were quite interesting and, as one of the replies pointed out in another breakdown, Linux now competes with (and in some ways beats) gaming on macOS in terms of size of catalogue.…

As someone who has just released[1] a first access game across Windows, macOS and Linux: 10 years ago developing on linux as a game developer was way worse than windows and MacOS, now there is no real difference at all. I speak as a long time UNIX user, Linux was terrible for C++ devleopment, debugging and asset creation/viewing (compared to the others) making gamedev tougher than it needed to be. 10 years ago linux'…

> It's still a PITA to deploy a compiled app on Linux with unclear glibc versions

If you don't want to worry about the glibc version on your users' machines, you can just ship your dynamic linker and use it to run your executable in your wrapper script (you do have one, right?). Why's that so hard?

Re: Ditching Windows: 2 Weeks with Ubuntu Linux on the Dell XPS 13

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I'm writing this from my XPS 13 using the latest Ubuntu and once I've spent a few hours configuring everything, it works almost perfectly. There's still a few bugs, like Ubuntu not remembering the audio settings.

What? So XPS 13 which you can buy with Ubuntu preinstalled still has parts of the hardware not working after "a few hours configuring everything"? I can't understand how that's acceptable to anyone. Literally every laptop I've installed Linux on had a litany of driver problems.

You are assuming the XPS is the developer edition.

I am also running Ubuntu on my XPS, but it came with windows orginaly. I also don't have any hardware issues to speak of.

Re: Ditching Windows: 2 Weeks with Ubuntu Linux on the Dell XPS 13

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I remember when I installed Debian on my old Toshiba laptop in 2004 (all 16x CDs of it, which a friend had to download for me coz I had no broadband), I couldn't update it because the ethernet network adapter (no wifi) on my laptop was not supported... nice to see that this curse still occasionally persists! If I remember correctly I fixed it by installing a different distro (Ubuntu or Kubuntu, which surprisingly des…

> nice to see that this curse still occasionally persists /s FTFY Seriously, though, that's a huge outlier. I haven't touched a machine in the last 10 years where Ethernet and Wifi were not supported out-of-the-box. (Including my new Thinkpad, which I was weary about since it came with an Atheros Wifi module, but it too worked out-of-the-box without any tinkering). These days, the biggest issues are with Nvidia GPUs…

I had issue with intel gigabit Ethernet on an Asus z270e when I first bought it. Ethernet wouldn’t work on Linux or when I booted a Hackintosh just because.

Looking at the Asus spreadsheet for Linux my board supports Fedora and Ubuntu. OpenSuse and RedHat were listed as N/A.

Re: Ditching Windows: 2 Weeks with Ubuntu Linux on the Dell XPS 13

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On reflecting the writer's use-case, and my own use-cases for enjoying both Linux (Ubuntu, but Gnome3 no Unity) and Windows:

I've used Linux for 15 years. It truly was a pain getting things like ADSL modems (wired) connecting. But that was 15 years ago and not the point of this post.

I use Linux at home -

Gnome gives me no task-bar, or a highly customisable one if I want that. I'm focused in the application that I'm in. The UI supports the *NIX philosophy that one app does one app's job well, and if more need to be binded together, that's OK too. I feel peaceful in Linux. Terminal is running and that's an alt-tab away. Mouse to the top-left gives me other apps, though only ones I regularly find useful. Mint might not give the same.

Linux, or my Linux setup, allows me focus.

I use Windows at work -

Windows has a taskbar. Everything is in the Windows menu. The taskbar can be hidden but mouse-over activates it, and the Windows menu can be customised, but it still feels there as a distraction. Office is an outstanding piece of software today; Outlook: I used to receive 400+ email per day, and know people that get 2000+ everyday too - Outlook makes that almost manageable; Excel and Powerpoint are astoundingly good at their scope; Word, I transitioned to pmwiki (need for collaboration and flexibility); Sharepoint and AD integration... obviously this is a corporate environment.

Windows feels distracting. Adding a Linux sub-system doesn't change this UX (for me).

What works for me -

In a working environment I have Linux running on a VM and spend 60% of my time in this. At home I have a Windows VM running 20% when I want the best of Windows (which, for me, is Office). Not a gamer so no input there.

Choose the most comfortable tool for the job. YMMV.

Re: Ditching Windows: 2 Weeks with Ubuntu Linux on the Dell XPS 13

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post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who has just released[1] a first access game across Windows, macOS and Linux: 10 years ago developing on linux as a game developer was way worse than windows and MacOS, now there is no real difference at all. I speak as a long time UNIX user, Linux was terrible for C++ devleopment, debugging and asset creation/viewing (compared to the others) making gamedev tougher than it needed to be. 10 years ago linux'…

> It's still a PITA to deploy a compiled app on Linux with unclear glibc versions If you don't want to worry about the glibc version on your users' machines, you can just ship your dynamic linker and use it to run your executable in your wrapper script (you do have one, right?). Why's that so hard?

It's not hard, it's just stupid that the platform has such a remarkable lack of consistency that you can't rely on anything but the kernel ABI.

Re: Ditching Windows: 2 Weeks with Ubuntu Linux on the Dell XPS 13

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Glad that Ubuntu works well for the author, but I've used Ubuntu on and off for a good 5+ years, and could fill a book with small things that just don't work quite right, and cumulatively makes it feel like I'm fighting the computer instead of working with it.

As a brief taste:

* No trackpad swipe gestures (plus many more subtle trackpad issues)

* Pre-Wayland the only way to attach a second screen at a different DPI was with xrandr that caused random flickering

* Accidentally bricked it once because I restarted while updates were happening in the background (no indication they were, and no prompt to let me know before restarting)

I could go on for awhile...

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