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Re: Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland

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Post by jarcane »

cgio wrote: post #13
sharpneli wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I should have been more clear with "more say than the rest". I referred to making the laws of the country. In Finland the parliament makes the laws according to the constitution and everyone has a single vote for electing members of said parliament. From what I know companies have no extra votes to give for representatives.

Do they have extra money to give to representatives?

Here in Finland, this does happen, yes. But the larger problem is "gray money"; everyone goes to the same business parties and sauna retreats (expenses paid of course), is friends with everyone.

more recently there's the novel shortcut of the business people themselves just running for office. Our current PM has a long list of business interests, including lobbying the Modi government on behalf of a startup he co-owns to sell them a chemical plant. His family also has holdings in a mining company that has received considerable amounts of government money, a fact he actually tried to cover up with in the Finnish state media Yle.

So painting this as "why is it business' fault what government does!" is more than a little misleading. Government doing exactly what business wants is the whole problem.

Re: Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland

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Post by atq2119 »

sharpneli wrote: post #12
atq2119 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is also questionable from democratic perspective. Why should a subset of population have more saying than the rest. I wouldn't accept this argument at face value unless you were unusually disciplined about applying it equally everywhere. For example, applying this rule equally everywhere means, among other things, eliminating capitalism. After all, capitalism creates a significant imbalance in power in practice…

I should have been more clear with "more say than the rest". I referred to making the laws of the country. In Finland the parliament makes the laws according to the constitution and everyone has a single vote for electing members of said parliament. From what I know companies have no extra votes to give for representatives.

This is a rather feeble attempt at an argument, because again: right back at you.

Sure, money doesn't directly give you votes in parliament.

But the right to political strikes doesn't directly give you additional votes either.

Re: Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland

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Post by jarcane »

sharpneli wrote: post #8
jarcane wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So obviously we as a country are bit torn on the issue as what can the employer do about it? Go to white house and take Trump as hostage so that he would change his decision? Given how cozy the ruling coalition are with business interests, this is hardly some one sided thing over which only one party has control. Sipilä isn't just pulling this shit for fun, that's not how Finnish business or politics works. Everyon…

It depends. The card carrying union members in our company are protesting the strike. They want the union to focus on their contracts and not go against government some of the members potentially voted for. So it’s a bit more complex issue. I just wanted to tell HN readers that there even is such a thing as a political strike.

If you do not stand with all workers, you will be divided, and fall. That's what solidarity means.

I have a cushy tech job, with a big company, so the recent attempted changes probably won't affect me at all. But if they can go after those it will and get away with it, then next time they will come for me, and there will be no united front left to defend me.

The alternative is we end up like America, and as much as some blinkered people in tech and business seem to want that for their own greedy purposes, a good look at the news should tell you why that's not a road we should want to go down.

Re: Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland

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Post by TorKlingberg »

The fundamental problem is that these filter lists are maintained by random volunteers, who everyone just assumes are trustworthy.

The browser makers avoid the issues by having ad-blockers be third-party extensions. The extension makers don't make the filter lists either, they just import from EasyList and similar. It's surprising there arent't more cases of corruption and broken trust.

I wish I could get ad-blocking some somebody I can trust. Unfortunately the only way to turn ad-blocking into a business is to charge advertisers to un-block them. That defeats the whole purpose of ad blocking, and is basically blackmail.

Re: Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland

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Post by DavideNL »

dTal wrote: post #20
majewsky wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you add Decentraleyes and add its ruleset to uMatrix, a lot of things start working. Context: Decentraleyes is an extension that bundles a lot of those CDN-served JS frameworks and serves the locally stored version when it intercepts a matching HTTP request to fetch from those CDNs.

I've had that installed for about a week now and the counter is still stuck at zero...

If you're using a Chromium based browser it might be an issue with the 'HTTPS Everywhere' extension: https://git.synz.io/Synzvato/decentraleyes/wikis/Frequently-...

Basically, another extension can intercept the request before Decentraleyes can get to it. "The race is always won by the most recently installed extension."

To fix: https://decentraleyes.org/configure-https-everywhere/

Re: Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland

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Post by gear54rus »

ahje wrote: post #9
sharpneli wrote: post #5

This is not precisely about the filter list but the whole shenanigans that led to it. Persons from other countries might be interested in this little quirk of Finland. Especially as it relates to workers rights in general. In Finland, unique among Nordic countries, political strikes are allowed. What does this mean? Let's say you're not happy about a decision made by Trump you can go to a strike. Sure the company doe…

The fact that people are abusing tools for ad-blocking to achieve political goals is a major breach of trust. This is the main issue. For the record, political strikes happen in the other Nordic countries as well. According to a quick search on the Internet, the only Nordic citizens who are _not_ allowed to partake in a political strike are public servants in Sweden.

what even crossed the mind of the guy, I am still laughing at this. with a straight face, he opened a file called 'ad-blockin-list' and wrote words 'political stance' in them. so silly its unbelievable

Re: Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland

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Post by vnorilo »

jarcane wrote: post #6
sharpneli wrote: post #5

This is not precisely about the filter list but the whole shenanigans that led to it. Persons from other countries might be interested in this little quirk of Finland. Especially as it relates to workers rights in general. In Finland, unique among Nordic countries, political strikes are allowed. What does this mean? Let's say you're not happy about a decision made by Trump you can go to a strike. Sure the company doe…

> So obviously we as a country are bit torn on the issue as what can the employer do about it? Go to white house and take Trump as hostage so that he would change his decision? Given how cozy the ruling coalition are with business interests, this is hardly some one sided thing over which only one party has control. Sipilä isn't just pulling this shit for fun, that's not how Finnish business or politics works. Everyon…

I'm a Finnish enterpreneur and priviledged tech guy. While I'm politically right of (Finnish) centre, I've been voting left recently because I perceive the ruling coalition is doing crony capitalism and unsound policy. Even here in the social democratic north the deck is being stacked against workers. We must be careful of any attempts to further weaken them.

Re: Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland

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Post by jusssi »

snarfybarfy wrote: post #16
sharpneli wrote: post #5

This is not precisely about the filter list but the whole shenanigans that led to it. Persons from other countries might be interested in this little quirk of Finland. Especially as it relates to workers rights in general. In Finland, unique among Nordic countries, political strikes are allowed. What does this mean? Let's say you're not happy about a decision made by Trump you can go to a strike. Sure the company doe…

I think this is brilliant!! This gives political clout back to the normal people. Cleaners and trash disposal workers on strike for 2 months?? Country comes to a standstill. Investment bankers on strike for 2 years? Nobody noticed except for retirees that get more pension benefits.

In reality though, cleaners and trash disposal workers can't probably afford 2 weeks without salary.

Investment bankers might be able to afford 2 years, but I think they'd rather get paid too.

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