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Re: Digital Ocean Managed Databases

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Post by agildehaus »

pdimitar wrote: post #13
nerdywordy wrote: post #6

I for one have always liked the simplicity of DO for hosting but I've never wanted to take on the full liability of self-rolling a DB server (and backups and replicas). So everything my company has I've put on heroku or azure. This has potential to be really significant as I'd wager there are a lot of folks in similar situations.

I am definitely on that particular boat. I'll add one more point: - Not very willing to setup DBs for several projects both paid and hobby because it's a fixed time sink. And before anybody tells me "but with this script it can take 2 minutes!" please don't forget that to learn to use your magical script I have to learn a few other things beforehand. (Although admittedly that's most likely a small time investment.)

For me it's mainly because I'm hopping around from database to database depending on the project and I can't keep everything in my head.

The more "best practices" I can automate the better since it reduces cognitive load on my poor noggin.

Re: Digital Ocean Managed Databases

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Post by Implicated »

phildougherty wrote: post #128
Implicated wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any chance someone could fast-track an inclusion for me of both the k8s and managed db solutions? I'm leading a team that is _literally_ days away from provisioning a cluster for an existing production SaaS application that's currently on DO vm's. Would prefer to stay with DO.. My email is in profile - happy to answer any questions.

Hey there! DO Kubernetes PM here. I just added you so you have access to the product. I will reach out to the PM on DBaaS as well.

Thank you!

Re: Digital Ocean Managed Databases

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Post by beatgammit »

jkchu wrote: post #114
whitepoplar wrote: post #2

Wow, this is fantastic news! I think this opens the floodgates for lots of people who currently use Heroku, and would like to use simple VPS's without jumping into the headache that is AWS. Any word on pricing?

What are your objections/concerns against using AWS? I have used it both for work and in personal projects and haven't ran into any issues/headaches.

Personally, I find AWS's pricing complicated, and there are so many different services that it's confusing. I think it's mostly a UX issue, but it's really overwhelming.

DO, Lonnie Linode, and Vultr are very simple, so that's what I use. Perhaps if I start needing more from my hosting I'll look at AWS, but it's just not worth my time to figure it out for the scale of projects I'm doing.

Re: Digital Ocean Managed Databases

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Post by franciscop »

This is a huge deal for me personally, and probably the main and only reason why I haven't used Digital Ocean for real yet. Let's see how the pricing goes, since having many small projects each one with very little requirements normally means paying a lot of $.

Re: Digital Ocean Managed Databases

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Post by whitepoplar »

jkchu wrote: post #114
whitepoplar wrote: post #2

Wow, this is fantastic news! I think this opens the floodgates for lots of people who currently use Heroku, and would like to use simple VPS's without jumping into the headache that is AWS. Any word on pricing?

What are your objections/concerns against using AWS? I have used it both for work and in personal projects and haven't ran into any issues/headaches.

AWS just seems too complicated to me. I like to spin up simple VMs (with local storage) without any surprises.

Re: Digital Ocean Managed Databases

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Post by qaq »

jkchu wrote: post #114
whitepoplar wrote: post #2

Wow, this is fantastic news! I think this opens the floodgates for lots of people who currently use Heroku, and would like to use simple VPS's without jumping into the headache that is AWS. Any word on pricing?

What are your objections/concerns against using AWS? I have used it both for work and in personal projects and haven't ran into any issues/headaches.

For one thing you have no fixed monthly cost on AWS

Re: Digital Ocean Managed Databases

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Post by ksec »

I think that is the final major puzzle to going All in on DO, hopefully it would not be built on top of their current Droplet config but much more customised for DB's need.

On the Subject of DO, I am wondering am I the only one who felt the need of 1vCPU to 1GB RAM droplet? Given the vCPU aren't even core but thread. Now that Managed DB is in place that is even more need for frameworks like Rails, my guess for other framework would need even less memory per process / Thread. I was hoping AMD EPYC will make that happen, but so far nothing has happened yet on all other VM hosting providers. May be EPYC 2.

And if DO will someday provide an CDN, or reselling of CDN through partnership.( Although BunnyCDN seems to be working great for me at the moment.)

Re: Digital Ocean Managed Databases

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Post by pdimitar »

irrational wrote: post #133
ZWoz wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you explain it more? Why you think that running your own DB instance is such overhead? Are you ever tried running your own, with mysql/mariadb for example?

It's not just the database itself, it's everything else you have to do to do it right. How will you do backups and replication? How will you recover? What are the ideal configuration settings for your particular situation? What about authentication, roles, open ports, allowed ip address ranges, etc.

Yep, that's my main motivation for not even attempting it. There are a ton of security settings alone. I am not gonna be the idiot who will let a 14-year old bored script kiddie into my VPS-es so they can have a laugh at my expense.

I prefer the managed services. Save for the high availability you get tons of best security practices -- all for a few bucks a month. It's usually a such a crazy cheap deal it's almost not fair to them.

Re: Digital Ocean Managed Databases

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Post by pdimitar »

StudentStuff wrote: post #107
nnq wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...yeah, but if best value for money would be the absolute goal, DO itself is quite expensive compared to Hetzner or Linode last time I compared. Others like OVH or Scaleway could be even cheaper.

DigitalOcean and Linode are currently the same price, what $5 buys you on DO gets you the same specs on Linode. Hetzner is not a reasonable choice for servers IMO, its akin to hosting in a datahole in Dallas, expect mixed bandwidth quality and questionable policies when issues arise. Comparatively, OVH looks stable. Scaleway doesn't take abuse reports seriously FYI, these attacks are still primarily coming from IPs a…

> Hetzner is not a reasonable choice for servers IMO, its akin to hosting in a datahole in Dallas, expect mixed bandwidth quality and questionable policies when issues arise.

Really surprised to hear that, can you please elaborate? I only heard good things about them up until now...

> Comparatively, OVH looks stable.

What kind of stable do you mean? Bandwidth, latency, average I/O ops, CPU load?

Re: Digital Ocean Managed Databases

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Post by pdimitar »

lotyrin wrote: post #140
pdimitar wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am definitely on that particular boat. I'll add one more point: - Not very willing to setup DBs for several projects both paid and hobby because it's a fixed time sink. And before anybody tells me "but with this script it can take 2 minutes!" please don't forget that to learn to use your magical script I have to learn a few other things beforehand. (Although admittedly that's most likely a small time investment.)

Even if you do have magic scripts and understanding for every possible scenario, you still have to deal with getting woken up to ascertain which scenario(s) you are in and run them.

Yep. One thing that the managed services give you is exactly that peace of mind you mention. Plus the fact that they are much better at fine tuning security, availability and performance settings than myself.
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