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When Trump Phones Friends, the Chinese and the Russians Listen and Learn

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> Mr. Trump’s aides have repeatedly warned him that his cellphone calls are not secure, and they have told him that Russian spies are routinely eavesdropping on the calls, as well. But aides say the voluble president, who has been pressured into using his secure White House landline more often these days, has still refused to give up his iPhones. How is blatant disregard for communication security not an impeachable…

The president can declassify anything he wants to, merely by speaking it to someone else. He's the only person in or out of the government who can do this. So, not impeachable. Impeachable would be when the former Secretary of State did not exercise care when handling classified information. The relevant statute does not require intent - only lack of care. It is interesting that all the push back by governments to ke…

The conduct is still impeachable even if he can declassify, explicitly or impliedly. (And I agree he can disclose whatever he wants to whomever he wants. But I also believe the Secretary of State has similar powers, albeit more narrowly circumscribed. Note that both Hillary Clinton and her predecessor, Colin Powell, used private e-mail servers.)

The phrase "high crimes and misdemeanors" means the opposite of what people intuitively think. Elected officials entrusted with state powers are held (or were at the time of the founding deemed to be held) to higher ethical and moral standards than regular citizens. A "high crime" would be misbehavior by someone in a high office. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_crimes_and_misdemeanors

Wantonly reckless behavior wrt to national security is, I would hope, indisputably impeachable. But in any event what's impeachable is entirely up to Congress as a practical matter--their decision is unreviewable except by the ballot box.

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The intelligence services are really clever in getting the information they need. Often, just like with other forms of security holes, they just need to be clever exactly once, and that might lead to months or years of intelligence. I also think of intelligence agencies are a little like magicians in how readily they will exploit someone's trust in reality.

Right. Considering that calls can be intercepted at either end, just securing his end does not preclude the call from getting compromised on the other end. Maybe that is why the security people are not pushing back that hard, since it is fairly hopeless to limit him to only speaking over secured lines. Sure it is easy for him to access a secured line, but not the friends he wants to talk to.

> Maybe that is why the security people are not pushing back that hard

And I quote:

"Mr. Trump’s use of his iPhones was detailed by several current and former officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity so they could discuss classified intelligence and sensitive security arrangements. The officials said they were doing so not to undermine Mr. Trump, but out of frustration with what they considered the president’s casual approach to electronic security."

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The president can declassify anything he wants to, merely by speaking it to someone else. He's the only person in or out of the government who can do this. So, not impeachable. Impeachable would be when the former Secretary of State did not exercise care when handling classified information. The relevant statute does not require intent - only lack of care. It is interesting that all the push back by governments to ke…

Interesting. So does the president have a free ticket to declassify anything , even if it puts the nation at risk (e.g. during a time of war)? For example, if trump posted the location of a surprise invasion force on twitter, can the rest of the government just "lol, trump on twitter again" and move on?

This is why we have impeachment and removal. "High crimes and misdemeanors" doesn't require breaking an actual criminal statute. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_crimes_and_misdemeanors and my reply to tomohawk.

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>Officials said the president has two official iPhones that have been altered by the National Security Agency to limit their capabilities — and vulnerabilities — and a third personal phone that is no different from hundreds of millions of iPhones in use around the world. Mr. Trump keeps the personal phone, White House officials said, because unlike his other two phones, he can store his contacts in it. If this is tru…

Do we actually trust the NSA to be better at security than Apple, especially if that "better security" comes in the form of "modifying the phone," whatever that means? Maybe they just set up a VPN or custom cell information on it? Can you do that on iPhone?

"Modifying the phone" likely means stuff like physically disabling the camera.

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I wonder why Apple doesn't encrypt calls between iPhones. And subsequently work on an open encryption standard with Google et al. It's strange that Facetime and Messages and Whatsapp and others are end-to-end encrypted, but voice is not.

End to end encryption would not prevent malware from having access to your microphone.

Presumably you would not have malware on your phone on iOS, or at least, that's the goal.

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There are so many issues with your comment that I don't know where to begin, but I won't bother addressing all of them because it will just devolve into typical Hn-ness. I will address the more egregious misstatements you have made. Russia actively attacks US election infrastructure Running a few ads, with a small budget, or having some fake Twitter accounts post things that millions of others are already saying, in…

> There are so many issues with your comment that I don't know where to begin, but I won't bother addressing all of them because it will just devolve into typical Hn-ness. But I will address the more egregious misstatements you have made. There's no need to insult me to start with. Please abide by the HN guidelines and do not just start insulting people. Let's just talk about all this and get right to the content: >…

There's no need to insult me to start with.

I intended no insult, nor did I post one. I simply pointed out that there were glaring factual issues with your comment. I apologize if you misinterpreted what I said.

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