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The difficulties of providing 110-volt power to your airline seat

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Re: The difficulties of providing 110-volt power to your airline seat

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Makes you wonder how they even manage to power those 500 Watt aircraft headlight bulbs, tens of KW in avionics, coffee machines and kettles, ovens, in-flight entertainment system per every seat etc etc

Because a) they know at the time the plane is designed the exact power draw of all those bits of kit and b) said bits of kit can be designed from the ground up to play nicely with aircraft power supplies.

Boeing 747 was designed in 1960s.

Re: The difficulties of providing 110-volt power to your airline seat

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because a) they know at the time the plane is designed the exact power draw of all those bits of kit and b) said bits of kit can be designed from the ground up to play nicely with aircraft power supplies.

Boeing 747 was designed in 1960s.

Yes and no. The 747 is still in production and has been revised many times since. A 747 bought today will have relatively little in common with one bought in 1970.

Re: The difficulties of providing 110-volt power to your airline seat

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I think airlines could pre-wire all seats to be able to provide 110v supply if purchased with your ticket or on-board as an add-on. Then have an intelligent switcher, which only energizes the socket if they have been pre-purchased, reducing the need to distribute live power around the plane.

Most people would really only want a few hours of charging. Then you could have a capped number of active sockets per flight of say 50-100 seats.

Re: The difficulties of providing 110-volt power to your airline seat

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Nobody needs 120v AC -- everyone on a plane is stepping it down and converting it to dc! The solution here isn't 120vac to every seat -- it's coming up with a new DC standard that plugs directly to our devices. The hard work of an airplane based inverter is undone by our power bricks, and energy is lost to heat in both. Lots of industry cooperation needed for this to happen, though.

Re: The difficulties of providing 110-volt power to your airline seat

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Every pacific crossing I've been on in the last three years (all 747s) has had AC to my seat. As far as I could tell all the seats had it. Large jets have auxiliary engines that power the coffee makers, the ovens they use for cooking in the plane, the lights, etc. You can normally see the exhaust for this engine on the very tip of the tail. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this article is defeate…

Having outlets at all the seats isn't the same thing as having a large number of them drawing power at the same time.

Re: The difficulties of providing 110-volt power to your airline seat

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"I wondered whether, as a technical matter, an airliner could actually produce enough power to keep a planeful of laptop users plugged in through a whole flight. [...] Short answer: No, you probably couldn't make this work." Given that the power output of the engines of a Boeing 747 is 140MW [1], enough to power 15 copies of the Empire State Building at peak business hours[2], I find this impossibility a bit depressi…

The APU power is more relevant. THe 737 can have 90kW APU which should be enough for 1000 laptops under full load (while 737 cannot carry more than 215 passangers) http://www.b737.org.uk/apu.htm

As long as you don't need air conditioning. Or avionics.

Re: The difficulties of providing 110-volt power to your airline seat

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Nobody needs 120v AC -- everyone on a plane is stepping it down and converting it to dc! The solution here isn't 120vac to every seat -- it's coming up with a new DC standard that plugs directly to our devices. The hard work of an airplane based inverter is undone by our power bricks, and energy is lost to heat in both. Lots of industry cooperation needed for this to happen, though.

That industry standard DC supply is 5V from the USB port. Stick a USB port in the arm of each seat and sell an adapter kit for common laptops and phones on-board. Although i'm not sure a USB port will supply enough current for a laptop.

Re: The difficulties of providing 110-volt power to your airline seat

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Nobody needs 120v AC -- everyone on a plane is stepping it down and converting it to dc! The solution here isn't 120vac to every seat -- it's coming up with a new DC standard that plugs directly to our devices. The hard work of an airplane based inverter is undone by our power bricks, and energy is lost to heat in both. Lots of industry cooperation needed for this to happen, though.

That industry standard DC supply is 5V from the USB port. Stick a USB port in the arm of each seat and sell an adapter kit for common laptops and phones on-board. Although i'm not sure a USB port will supply enough current for a laptop.

It won't. The solution is to force everyone to use the 'car' (or cigarette lighter) variant of their chargers.

Re: The difficulties of providing 110-volt power to your airline seat

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Every pacific crossing I've been on in the last three years (all 747s) has had AC to my seat. As far as I could tell all the seats had it. Large jets have auxiliary engines that power the coffee makers, the ovens they use for cooking in the plane, the lights, etc. You can normally see the exhaust for this engine on the very tip of the tail. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this article is defeate…

The APU doesn't run in-flight (unless shit gets real and the engines are disabled or need to be re-started). Everything electric pretty much runs off the generators powered by the main engine (in-flight), or ground power (at the gate).
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