Helvetia – A lightweight approach to embed new languages into the host language • Hacker News Board

Re: Helvetia – A lightweight approach to embed new languages into the host language

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Post by lrenggli » Wed, Oct 24, 2018, 11:27 AM UTC

yhoneycomb wrote: post #8

lrenggli wrote: post #7

I am the author of Helvetia, feel free to ask me anything!

How did you decide on the name? I feel like it’s interesting but too easily confused with Helvetica, which could get annoying

We decided on the name because in Switzerland there are 4 official languages spoken and written; but all the infrastructure is shared (the promise of the tool). Helvetia is an alternate name for Switzerland: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Switzerland#Helvetia.

Re: Helvetia – A lightweight approach to embed new languages into the host language

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Post by lrenggli » Wed, Oct 24, 2018, 11:28 AM UTC

em-bee wrote: post #9

lrenggli wrote: post #7

I am the author of Helvetia, feel free to ask me anything!

does this work on current pharo versions?

I don't think so, but you can download a working one-click image from http://source.lukas-renggli.ch/.

Re: Helvetia – A lightweight approach to embed new languages into the host language

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Post by DictumMortuum » Wed, Oct 24, 2018, 11:30 AM UTC

lrenggli wrote: post #11

yhoneycomb wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How did you decide on the name? I feel like it’s interesting but too easily confused with Helvetica, which could get annoying

We decided on the name because in Switzerland there are 4 official languages spoken and written; but all the infrastructure is shared (the promise of the tool). Helvetia is an alternate name for Switzerland: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Switzerland#Helvetia .

In Greece we call Switzerland Helvetia!

Re: Helvetia – A lightweight approach to embed new languages into the host language

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Post by ktpsns » Wed, Oct 24, 2018, 11:43 AM UTC

lrenggli wrote: post #7

I am the author of Helvetia, feel free to ask me anything!

Maybe you want to fix your server, it is down. https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/scg.unibe.ch

Re: Helvetia – A lightweight approach to embed new languages into the host language

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Post by lrenggli » Wed, Oct 24, 2018, 11:53 AM UTC

ktpsns wrote: post #14

lrenggli wrote: post #7

I am the author of Helvetia, feel free to ask me anything!

Maybe you want to fix your server, it is down. https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/scg.unibe.ch

Sorry, I am no longer working at the university that is hosting the content. Please look at the cached site: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:6rmlBNh...

Re: Helvetia – A lightweight approach to embed new languages into the host language

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Post by lrenggli » Wed, Oct 24, 2018, 11:56 AM UTC

em-bee wrote: post #10

lrenggli wrote: post #7

I am the author of Helvetia, feel free to ask me anything!

how can this be applied to other languages?

I was arguing that it is possible, but given my limited resources I haven't built a working prototype. However, I have ported some of the infrastructure (dynamic grammars) that is used behind the scenes to Java: https://github.com/petitparser/java-petitparser.

Re: Helvetia – A lightweight approach to embed new languages into the host language

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Post by thecatspaw » Wed, Oct 24, 2018, 1:05 PM UTC

lrenggli wrote: post #15

ktpsns wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe you want to fix your server, it is down. https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/scg.unibe.ch

Sorry, I am no longer working at the university that is hosting the content. Please look at the cached site: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:6rmlBNh...

Did they take it down since OP posted the link?

Re: Helvetia – A lightweight approach to embed new languages into the host language

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Post by horriblePun » Wed, Oct 24, 2018, 1:16 PM UTC

fredley wrote: post #6

iagooar wrote: post #4

Swiss, and their original naming of things :D

"Helvetia" is how I pronounced Helvetica for a long time as a kid, until someone pointed out to me that there was a c in there.

Didn't you c it before?

Re: Helvetia – A lightweight approach to embed new languages into the host language

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Post by drtse4 » Wed, Oct 24, 2018, 1:33 PM UTC

lrenggli wrote: post #7

I am the author of Helvetia, feel free to ask me anything!

Can you add a link to a downloadable pdf of the presentation? The js thingy doesn't seem to work on most browsers :/

Re: Helvetia – A lightweight approach to embed new languages into the host language

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Post by mar77i » Wed, Oct 24, 2018, 1:35 PM UTC

lrenggli wrote: post #11

yhoneycomb wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How did you decide on the name? I feel like it’s interesting but too easily confused with Helvetica, which could get annoying

We decided on the name because in Switzerland there are 4 official languages spoken and written; but all the infrastructure is shared (the promise of the tool). Helvetia is an alternate name for Switzerland: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Switzerland#Helvetia .

With regard to the product, it could be a hint at mercenary times. Once upon a time it was possible for any army to employ Swiss mercenaries in their rows. Not that I, as an engineer, approve that it's generally a good idea to unite more technologies than absolutely necessary in the same project.