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Tim Cook makes blistering attack on the “data industrial complex”

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The only problem is that Apple is the Mercedes of mobile devices. We really need a Honda and Kia version, a more affordable device that doesn’t track you. Apple is never going to give up their premium position.

I imagine part of the reason they can afford to be pro-privacy is that they make enough money on actual sales to matter. If your margins are how, you will start looking for other ways to generate revenue.

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Seeing as Google pays Apple $12bn to be the default search engine on iOS devices I’m tempted to call hypocrisy here... http://fortune.com/2018/09/29/google-apple-safari-search-eng...

> I’m tempted to call hypocrisy here.. You can call it hypocrisy but it doesn't affect the validity of Tim Cook's argument [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

andy_ppp was not trying to invalidate what Tim Cook was saying but just remind everyone that the motivations here may be less than altruistic

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It's sad how the introduction of a new class of devices "smartphones" brought along with it a surveillance software platform in the form of Android. Where it is clear that the only incentive for google to develop it is exfiltration of as much personal data as they can. In contrast in the case of Apple you have a customer relationship with the company that sold you the device and they have an incentive to keep you as…

I hear what you are saying and agree in the sense that a lot of this is being misused by people who want to take advantage of what they know about you/us in whatever shape or form they can get the data to get away with.

Chinas use of data is definitely not the way to go.

However, I would also caution against the push for almost complete privacy as that IMO leaves out a number of potential advantages from systems having enormous amounts of data about us.

The primary advantage of technology is that it is able to automate and remove a number of things we would otherwise have to do manually, semi-manually etc.

To the extent that we do more and more in the digital space, our digital identity becomes much more important and that creates a new problem that can't be solved through privacy IMO but have to be solved by allowing digital identities to learn how to trust each other (which means exchange data/information).

I don't think there are many ways around that unless you want to get off the grid completely (which is certainly one way to do things).

This is where I think the decentralized part becomes really valuable. How can we own our own data but exchange it with others and build trust over time just like we would in the real world.

Cause in order to take advantage of the technology you will need to feed it with the primary thing that keeps it alive, data.

Re: Tim Cook makes blistering attack on the “data industrial complex”

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The only problem is that Apple is the Mercedes of mobile devices. We really need a Honda and Kia version, a more affordable device that doesn’t track you. Apple is never going to give up their premium position.

Sad that Apple stopped making iPhone SE, still expensive compared to other brands, but the cheapest to jump on the Apple bandwagon.

Re: Tim Cook makes blistering attack on the “data industrial complex”

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The only problem is that Apple is the Mercedes of mobile devices. We really need a Honda and Kia version, a more affordable device that doesn’t track you. Apple is never going to give up their premium position.

That's exactly the problem I have. I don't want the unblockable ads and spying but I need my phone to be some cheap thing I don't have to respect or worry about. Once I started buying $150 phones every 2-3 years, I realised how much I need a device that I don't lose any sleep over it getting beaten to death and possibly replaced prematurely.

Get an iphone se with protector

Re: Tim Cook makes blistering attack on the “data industrial complex”

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The only problem is that Apple is the Mercedes of mobile devices. We really need a Honda and Kia version, a more affordable device that doesn’t track you. Apple is never going to give up their premium position.

That's exactly the problem I have. I don't want the unblockable ads and spying but I need my phone to be some cheap thing I don't have to respect or worry about. Once I started buying $150 phones every 2-3 years, I realised how much I need a device that I don't lose any sleep over it getting beaten to death and possibly replaced prematurely.

Buy second hand iPhones.

A 5S will still run the latest iOS, and with a new battery wont be under “performance management” mode, so it should be quite fast to use.

Re: Tim Cook makes blistering attack on the “data industrial complex”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are values not backed by a willingness to make sacrifices worth anything?

Sacrifices for what, though? Let's say Apple does take a stand against China's human rights record. Then what? Apple pulls out of the country and a Chinese company fills the void in the market, possibly handing over even more user data to the government. What has been accomplished by Apple's "sacrifice"?

Apple customers elsewhere in the world are assured of Apple's integrity in this regard.

Of course, it is a bit unreasonable to expect Apple to actually do that, but it is also a bit unreasonable to believe that Apple will guard your privacy anywhere else when push comes to shove.

Re: Tim Cook makes blistering attack on the “data industrial complex”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I’m tempted to call hypocrisy here.. You can call it hypocrisy but it doesn't affect the validity of Tim Cook's argument [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

I think you are right but then I was never saying anything about the points, I was saying personally I’d find it difficult to make statements in direct contradiction to my actions. Which wasn’t clear and logical fallacies are definitely worth consideration! Maybe you have show a little bit of cognitive bias assuming I was trying to undermine the points he makes.

>>I think you are right but then I was never saying anything about the points

I think perhaps you should. It would improve the quality of the discussion.

http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html

Re: Tim Cook makes blistering attack on the “data industrial complex”

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The only problem is that Apple is the Mercedes of mobile devices. We really need a Honda and Kia version, a more affordable device that doesn’t track you. Apple is never going to give up their premium position.

why not just buy an older device? bought a brand new iPhone se as soon as the new iphones x maxx was announced. mobile phone development as plateaued imo, there is nothing out there you really need unless you're fooling yourself. photos - I bought a nice mirrorless with the money I saved. apps - se runs everything tolerably fast except for snapchat and Instagram, which I've decided to cut down on anyways.comparison is the thief of joy and all the new social media apps promote comparison as the primary feature. games - bought a Nintendo switch and it has fortnite as well.

all told 300+400+300 = 1000 which is STILL lower than the cost of the iPhone x max

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