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Tim Cook makes blistering attack on the “data industrial complex”

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Post by SmellyGeekBoy »

nosuchthing wrote: post #17
miguelrochefort wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personal information is information about a person. We already collect information about things. Why not collect information about people, which are arguably more interesting?

Many people enjoy privacy. If your children were followed around with someone recording them with a personal video recorder as soon as they left their house, that’s just public information right? /s

While I agree with the sentiment and am also strongly against this mass surveillance, I don't think that a "please think of the children" argument helps our case here.

Re: Tim Cook makes blistering attack on the “data industrial complex”

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Post by MrEfficiency »

mark_l_watson wrote: post #32

I like Tim Cook, I think his heart is in the right place and as much as a corporation can, Apple generally does the right thing. I was having lunch with several lawyers at my company a few weeks ago. One of them was talking strongly about quality devices and Apple’s strong privacy stance. He literally said that we as a society should be grateful for having Apple.

>Apple generally does the right thing.

Except make their products affordable to low income people.

Or give developers tools to develop(Cant afford the 2,000 USD upfront cost of ios dev)

And pull apps off their store because they were competitive with their own apps (or helpful to their customers in a way apple doesnt like)

Re: Tim Cook makes blistering attack on the “data industrial complex”

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Post by boomboomsubban »

sveme wrote: post #128
andkenneth wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might be interested in this project. https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/

Have you bought one? What are your experiences with PureOS as a phone OS, considering the underlying hardware? One issue with Firefox OS was the non-fit between phone hardware and OS hardware requirements...

They aren't out yet, but it will have similar hardware requirements. Phone manufacturers don't value a free driver availability when building their phones, making it difficult for alternative operating systems to support.

Re: Tim Cook makes blistering attack on the “data industrial complex”

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Post by pgeorgi »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #39
_Codemonkeyism wrote: post #9

Until Apple growth streak breaks and they start to use data like everyone else and using data is a good thing.

That would mean they pivot from a hardware company to an advertising company; I don't see that happening myself.

Cambridge Analytics isn't an ad company but very much working with personal data.

All that health data in healthkit would be a treasure trove for insurances, even without using it for adverts (but for determining premiums, for example)

Apple pay could tie into a credit scoring system.

And so on...

Re: Tim Cook makes blistering attack on the “data industrial complex”

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Post by sbuk »

huffmsa wrote: post #114
sbuk wrote: post #95

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What's this got to do with privacy?

Having to go to an Apple certified retailer prevents one from privately modifying or repairing ones device. Apple gets to know about every repair / modification done to your device.

So long as there is no PII, what is the problem with that? If you mod something that's in warranty and you knowingly void it, that is your problem; same is true for every single manufacturer out there.

Re: Tim Cook makes blistering attack on the “data industrial complex”

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Post by tananaev »

blattimwind wrote: post #61
walterbell wrote: post #38

Hi Apple. Please: • add VPN on/off to control center • allow per-app VPN via Apple Configurator, without enterprise MDM • once the above two are available, we can use Tor, IDS, DPI or pihole on a per-application basis, to reduce data harvesting • bonus1: allow the open-source iOS MDM community OR the iOS Shortcuts community to make it easy for novice users to have one-click install of "privacy-plus configurations" •…

• location data toggle in control center

This is my most desired feature in iPhone. Disabling location service, when you don't need it, helps with both battery consumption and privacy. I don't understand why Apple doesn't want to implement an easy switch option, unless they want to track your location for some reason.

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Post by newsbinator »

SmellyGeekBoy wrote: post #145
akuji1993 wrote: post #86

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Also you can't just forget the point, that you will not find the same results on DuckDuckGo and Bing and others that you find on Google. That is my #1 problem with switching to another search engine. It doesn't show me the results that I need, especially for technical questions. Google does.

I tried DDG a few years back and was of the same opinion as you until I decided to have another look back in August this year (which coincided with a switch from Chrome to Firefox). I'd say I find 90% of what I need now - ie I only end up using g! for one in ten searches. Probably fewer, actually. (and like you, a lot of my work-related searches are technical in nature)

The problem isn't that DDG misses 10% and you have to try g!.

It's that you never know whether it's missing 10%.

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Post by danaris »

brainwad wrote: post #85
varjag wrote: post #59

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Apple can effect data industrial complex, unlike the military industrial complex. Doing the opposite would be empty posturing.

Cook is only making this statement because it's in Apple's business interest to cripple ad-based competitors by convincing policy makers to hobble them with regulation. He's not a neutral observer.

While I'm sure that's a consideration, it's incredibly cynical to claim that that's the only reason Cook is saying this.

Apple has been extremely firm and open about their commitment to privacy, when they could easily have just gone along with the crowd and harvested data, too. I think it's highly likely that they could have made significantly more money doing that than they do from the people who choose Apple products specifically because of their privacy stance.

Cynicism can make you feel really superior, 'cause you can see through all the BS everyone's spouting to the cold dead hearts inside, while all the people around you think that people actually care about anything but money and power.

But, see, there are actually people who care about something more. And when you fail to recognize that, you enable those who don't, those who benefit from all the not-caring, just that little bit more.

Re: Tim Cook makes blistering attack on the “data industrial complex”

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Post by sbuk »

akuji1993 wrote: post #94
simion314 wrote: post #40

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>You can get paid in the form of a free OS for your smartphone? I paid full price for my phone, there was no warning or contract for me selling my data. I also do not remember a clear EULA about me selling or paying with my data, usually this EULAs are emphasizing that data is collected to give us better services not that is sold/shared with third parties.

> data is collected to give us better services Literally every company that steals your data and sells it, has this sentence in their data privacy terms.

Prove it.

https://www.apple.com/uk/legal/privacy/en-ww/

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Post by [deleted] »

SmellyGeekBoy wrote: post #147
jason46 wrote: post #113

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I'm curious what would apple use if google was not paying, or if google charged apple? This seems backwards to me.

They're literally the biggest tech company in the world. Couldn't they build their own? I mean, it wouldn't be great at first but seems like a worthwhile project (and Microsoft managed it with Bing, so there's precedent there).

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