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Re: Amazon Pitches Facial Recognition to Monitor Immigrants

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Post by tertius »

monort wrote: post #148
karakot wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if you're on a highway, then a car driving 30mph is much more dangerous than one which is 10mph over speed limit.

Do you have a statistic confirming that? Most highway deaths are due to speed, not due to driving slow. Driving slow can provoke people behind to do dangerous things, but it's on them, not on a slow driver.

Actually the real problem is differential in speed.

So a car going 80 in a 60 hitting a car going 30 in a 60 is worse than a car going 80 in a 60 hitting a car going 60.

Now I'd rather everyone stay within a narrow limit and not go over the 'limit'.

Differential kills.

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Post by tertius »

dgzl wrote: post #156
makewavesnotwar wrote: post #41

Sure and while you're at it why not implement cameras all over every roadway to automatically ticket you every time you break the speed limit. Or better yet, why not devise a real time geolocation device to be embedded in cars and then lobby for it to be nationally adopted so people literally can't speed? The reality is that very few people want to live in that world and even if we do fully adopt technologies like th…

> ticket you every time you break the speed limit. Generally I'm against government spying and tracking, but I really don't think cities could afford the traffic situation of every driver obeying the speed limit. Think about how many commuters exceed the speed limit every single day, and imagine if every person were forced to actually drive the limit at all times. I would expect at least a 10% increase in on-road-tra…

"Imagine" isn't data. I wouldn't be so sure.

Rubber necking causes a lot more traffic...

Side note: Stop speeding please. You're endangering other people.

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Post by tertius »

kilotaras wrote: post #161
makewavesnotwar wrote: post #41

Sure and while you're at it why not implement cameras all over every roadway to automatically ticket you every time you break the speed limit. Or better yet, why not devise a real time geolocation device to be embedded in cars and then lobby for it to be nationally adopted so people literally can't speed? The reality is that very few people want to live in that world and even if we do fully adopt technologies like th…

Car traveling 10mph faster carries 77% more kinetic energy that will be transferred into human/other car in case of impact. It is by no means as lethal.

To a pedestrian?

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Post by tertius »

lambdadmitry wrote: post #175
makewavesnotwar wrote: post #41

Sure and while you're at it why not implement cameras all over every roadway to automatically ticket you every time you break the speed limit. Or better yet, why not devise a real time geolocation device to be embedded in cars and then lobby for it to be nationally adopted so people literally can't speed? The reality is that very few people want to live in that world and even if we do fully adopt technologies like th…

Re: cars: that's a very interesting and deeply American viewpoint. It also smells of rationalization, because the talk of "extra 10mph don't matter" is clearly nonsense and I expect most people here realize that V squared in kinetic energy formula makes 10mph a big deal. So the question becomes — what exactly are you trying to rationalize? Because lower speeds most definitely make people safer. Not only that, but low…

As a non-speeder, cyclists here in the U.S. almost never obey the rules of the road.

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Post by michaelt »

snarfybarfy wrote: post #173
durkie wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was something that came up shortly after the Snowden documents were released. I don't remember who made the point (maybe Moxie Marlinspike), but they pointed out how important it is to be able to break the law. That breaking the law is an vital means of effecting change in the US: kids smoke pot illegally and grow up to be adults that push to legalize it. Gay people are more and more open and successfully push f…

And what kind of right would breaking the speed limit push that citizens could possible want to have changed? I am all for hardcoded speed limits. Why sell cars that can go faster than $MaxSpeedInYourCountry ??? Other than that I think you made a good point.

  Why sell cars that can go faster
  than $MaxSpeedInYourCountry ???
Politicians today have three choices:

(1) Set and enforce low speed limits, large numbers of drivers make low-impact complaints.

(2) Set and enforce high speed limits, small numbers of parents of dead children make high-impact complaints.

(3) Set low speed limits but don't enforce them. Anti-speed campaigners and road users are both satisfied.

In my country, politicians tend to go for (3). A switch to (1) would not be without its costs.

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Post by AsyncAwait »

mohammedbin wrote: post #4

I am not an American and I obviously have no right to meddle in your affairs. But only today Trump tweeted out Obama being against immigration and then from their the rabbit hole went deeper and there was a video of gasp, bernie sanders calling open borders a "Koch brother" conspiracy. I'm beginning to wonder if anyone high up in America really has any integrity? I fail to see anyone who is consistent in their views…

If you think putting children in cages and having open borders is the only two positions you can hold, you're delusional.

Bernie wants a stronger social system in the U.S. If you want universal healthcare, you can't have open borders. But you also don't have to put children in cages. You consider each case, provide asylum if they're in danger, deport if not etc.

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Post by tertius »

buboard wrote: post #144
makewavesnotwar wrote: post #41

Sure and while you're at it why not implement cameras all over every roadway to automatically ticket you every time you break the speed limit. Or better yet, why not devise a real time geolocation device to be embedded in cars and then lobby for it to be nationally adopted so people literally can't speed? The reality is that very few people want to live in that world and even if we do fully adopt technologies like th…

But have you thought about the children? you can always pile on more legislation if talk about the children, u can even regulate the games they play and the porn they see. I don't think that barrel has a bottom.

And guess what, children in cars around you don't stop people from speeding and increasing the differential between them and people around them.

Thinking about the children isn't something that people generally do... So parents have to take responsibility and be a lot more cautious on the roads.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jFqhjaGh30

(I do get your comment on law-creep...) Speeding kills.

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Post by TarpitCarnivore »

elejo wrote: post #147
alexnewman wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stupid question. I actually am a big fan of no borders but what's wrong with this? Seems like America entering the new millennium. Edited also why was this downvoted?

Nobody here will ever complain about illegal aliens because they are wealthy programmers, etc and won't be affected by their unfair competition. Just look at this tweet I saw a few hours ago from the editor of boingboing: https://twitter.com/xeni/status/1054816681699139584 Imagine her shock when she learns that most people can't afford to hire someone to mow their lawns, mop their floors, or raise their kids! Talk ab…

Her comment was being targeted at the upper class who are the loudest ones yelling for this. There's also a fair amount of 'working class' industries who rely on migrant workers to keep labor down, such as landscaping and house cleaning. This is what the tweet is hammering at.

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Post by rawoke083600 »

durkie wrote: post #102
makewavesnotwar wrote: post #41

Sure and while you're at it why not implement cameras all over every roadway to automatically ticket you every time you break the speed limit. Or better yet, why not devise a real time geolocation device to be embedded in cars and then lobby for it to be nationally adopted so people literally can't speed? The reality is that very few people want to live in that world and even if we do fully adopt technologies like th…

This was something that came up shortly after the Snowden documents were released. I don't remember who made the point (maybe Moxie Marlinspike), but they pointed out how important it is to be able to break the law. That breaking the law is an vital means of effecting change in the US: kids smoke pot illegally and grow up to be adults that push to legalize it. Gay people are more and more open and successfully push f…

Man thats a cool insight !! Never thought about the mechanism like that !

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Post by lexs »

elejo wrote: post #168
danenania wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speaking of fairness, why exactly should we have more concern about the job prospects of someone who happens by random chance to be born on one side of a border than someone who happens to be born on the other? If anything, isn’t it less fair if the person who previously lucked into being born in the wealthier country gets the job? My point isn’t to diminish the very real problems facing the US working class. I just…

Being born here or there is an act of random chance. The fact that some countries are developed while others aren't is not random chance. Especially in the new world where all countries have had exactly the same amount of time to develop.

Doesn't this statement ignore a huge amount of context?
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