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Re: Ask HN: How do you pay remote employees in different countries?

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I've participated in similar setups before. Everyone was self-employed, working as a contractor, invoicing the German company. As we were all in the EU, this was pretty smooth. Why would you need to start a mailbox firm in every country with employees?

This is the easiest route. Every country has its own tax and SS laws that would be impossible to handle from a central location. Easier to pay a bit more so each contractor is able to fully pay all of these too (accountant fees included). Which is also important to take into account when negotiating salaries because 50k on Munich is not the same as on Ibiza.

Re: Ask HN: How do you pay remote employees in different countries?

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As far as I know, the only way to avoid creating a tax nexus in each country where you have "employees" (or contractors) is to make sure the contractors invoice you. The way this usually works is indeed the contractors have a sole proprietorship or legal entity from which they invoice you.

If you just pay them without an invoice but as payroll then congratulations you're now on the hook for all taxes and social security payments in the country your now-employee works in, no matter what's in the contract. In fact you might have committed a crime against local labour law by putting in the contract that you're explicitly not liable for social security payments, benefits or business-side taxes. By not registering a mailbox firm in that country you're probably also committing some crime because this means you couldn't meet any of the local labour law obligations.

This may work while everything is peachy while you pay them a higher amount which they can use to pay their social security themselves, but if your now-employee ever gets a grudge against you, they can easily file a lawsuit against you, and it'll be hard for you to defend. Your now-ex-employee will keep the inflated salary, having not paid the security benefits, and you'll be on the hook for back-paying all tax and social security payments with interest plus a fine.

Especially as a startup you don't want to deal with all these administrative overheads. Just request that each person sets up a business from which they can invoice you, and that they get an accountant to help them with whatever obligations that comes with. You can suggest to pay for the accountant. It's not actually that big of a deal and will allow each person to meet the local obligations, which they (or the local accountant) will know better than you. Note that they themselves then become liable for taxes and social security payments, as someone always is.

Re: Ask HN: How do you pay remote employees in different countries?

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The best way to go about is ask you remote 'employees' to invoice your company. They are independent contractors and are responsible for their own taxes and social security payments.

Don't think that being a contractor is hard, in some countries you can just start invoicing without any company creation or registration as long as you declare the income and pay required taxes.

The downside is that anyone working as an independent contract can up and quit at moments notice. If you try to enforce exclusivity or a full time, fixed 'employment' roster some countries can sue you for fraud. The idea being that you are using contractors for full time employees and thus your company should pay employer taxes in that country.

Re: Ask HN: How do you pay remote employees in different countries?

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post #4

A sole proprietorship is not a business entity. There is zero difference between a sole proprietor business and a person. I'm not sure how you got this confused, but it sounds like you need to speak to an accountant. As far as how you pay people, you just transfer them money from your bank account. All of their accounts will have SWIFT or IBAN numbers or both, and you just transfer the funds. Your accountant will tak…

"There is zero difference between a sole proprietor business and a person."

Are you talking about the US? As this is not the case in Sweden at least.

Re: Ask HN: How do you pay remote employees in different countries?

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post #4

A sole proprietorship is not a business entity. There is zero difference between a sole proprietor business and a person. I'm not sure how you got this confused, but it sounds like you need to speak to an accountant. As far as how you pay people, you just transfer them money from your bank account. All of their accounts will have SWIFT or IBAN numbers or both, and you just transfer the funds. Your accountant will tak…

This is not the case in Australia. An individual in Australia cannot issue tax invoices, but s/he can register as a sole trader and get an ABN.
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