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Re: Amazon Pitches Facial Recognition to Monitor Immigrants

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Post by kilotaras » Wed, Oct 24, 2018, 9:02 AM UTC

makewavesnotwar wrote: post #41

Sure and while you're at it why not implement cameras all over every roadway to automatically ticket you every time you break the speed limit. Or better yet, why not devise a real time geolocation device to be embedded in cars and then lobby for it to be nationally adopted so people literally can't speed? The reality is that very few people want to live in that world and even if we do fully adopt technologies like th…

Car traveling 10mph faster carries 77% more kinetic energy that will be transferred into human/other car in case of impact.

It is by no means as lethal.

Re: Amazon Pitches Facial Recognition to Monitor Immigrants

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Post by danenania » Wed, Oct 24, 2018, 9:03 AM UTC

elejo wrote: post #147

alexnewman wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stupid question. I actually am a big fan of no borders but what's wrong with this? Seems like America entering the new millennium. Edited also why was this downvoted?

Nobody here will ever complain about illegal aliens because they are wealthy programmers, etc and won't be affected by their unfair competition. Just look at this tweet I saw a few hours ago from the editor of boingboing: https://twitter.com/xeni/status/1054816681699139584 Imagine her shock when she learns that most people can't afford to hire someone to mow their lawns, mop their floors, or raise their kids! Talk ab…

Speaking of fairness, why exactly should we have more concern about the job prospects of someone who happens by random chance to be born on one side of a border than someone who happens to be born on the other?

If anything, isn’t it less fair if the person who previously lucked into being born in the wealthier country gets the job?

My point isn’t to diminish the very real problems facing the US working class. I just don’t see why working class people from Mexico or El Salvador are any less deserving of my sympathy.

Re: Amazon Pitches Facial Recognition to Monitor Immigrants

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Post by gowthamgts12 » Wed, Oct 24, 2018, 9:19 AM UTC

crististm wrote: post #136

FilterSweep wrote: post #23

Yikes. I’ve heard of some American citizens being mistaken for illegal immigrants and being detained with no recuse[0], I could only imagine how bad it could get if the machine errors. [0] https://nypost.com/2018/04/27/ice-wrongfully-detained-nearly...

According to some of my team mates, a computer is never wrong. And they would gladly replace the justice system with AI ones. They program computers and they should know better but I am lost wondering at what level they are thinking to even go down this road.

Always remember its really hard to get 100% accuracy on AI.

Re: Amazon Pitches Facial Recognition to Monitor Immigrants

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Post by gowthamgts12 » Wed, Oct 24, 2018, 9:21 AM UTC

sharcerer wrote: post #151

themistokl1k wrote: post #132

anybody can elaborate on why amazonians can't pull a Google and make them drop the contract?

No company employees other than Google are known to be as vocal about business decisions,AFAIK. Culture matters. The culture which Larry,Sergey and others started is reaping benefits today. I might be wrong,but if we look at companies in general, Google is the closest to having a democracy-type of vibe.

Couldn't agree more. I don't think Amazon listens to its employees on how to run a business.

Re: Amazon Pitches Facial Recognition to Monitor Immigrants

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Post by SmellyGeekBoy » Wed, Oct 24, 2018, 9:21 AM UTC

elejo wrote: post #147

alexnewman wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stupid question. I actually am a big fan of no borders but what's wrong with this? Seems like America entering the new millennium. Edited also why was this downvoted?

Nobody here will ever complain about illegal aliens because they are wealthy programmers, etc and won't be affected by their unfair competition. Just look at this tweet I saw a few hours ago from the editor of boingboing: https://twitter.com/xeni/status/1054816681699139584 Imagine her shock when she learns that most people can't afford to hire someone to mow their lawns, mop their floors, or raise their kids! Talk ab…

Reading through that thread reminds me why I deleted my Twitter account.

Re: Amazon Pitches Facial Recognition to Monitor Immigrants

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Post by SmellyGeekBoy » Wed, Oct 24, 2018, 9:23 AM UTC

gowthamgts12 wrote: post #163

crististm wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to some of my team mates, a computer is never wrong. And they would gladly replace the justice system with AI ones. They program computers and they should know better but I am lost wondering at what level they are thinking to even go down this road.

Always remember its really hard to get 100% accuracy on AI.

But is it more accurate than human judgement?

Re: Amazon Pitches Facial Recognition to Monitor Immigrants

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Post by SmellyGeekBoy » Wed, Oct 24, 2018, 9:24 AM UTC

hnaccy wrote: post #60

More evidence that the invention of the transistor marked the doom of individual liberty. By the time I die I assume we'll all be tracked at all times or well on the way to that.

> By the time I die I assume we'll all be tracked at all times or well on the way to that.

If you have a smartphone this is already the case.

Re: Amazon Pitches Facial Recognition to Monitor Immigrants

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Post by elejo » Wed, Oct 24, 2018, 9:24 AM UTC

danenania wrote: post #162

elejo wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody here will ever complain about illegal aliens because they are wealthy programmers, etc and won't be affected by their unfair competition. Just look at this tweet I saw a few hours ago from the editor of boingboing: https://twitter.com/xeni/status/1054816681699139584 Imagine her shock when she learns that most people can't afford to hire someone to mow their lawns, mop their floors, or raise their kids! Talk ab…

Speaking of fairness, why exactly should we have more concern about the job prospects of someone who happens by random chance to be born on one side of a border than someone who happens to be born on the other? If anything, isn’t it less fair if the person who previously lucked into being born in the wealthier country gets the job? My point isn’t to diminish the very real problems facing the US working class. I just…

Being born here or there is an act of random chance. The fact that some countries are developed while others aren't is not random chance. Especially in the new world where all countries have had exactly the same amount of time to develop.

Re: Amazon Pitches Facial Recognition to Monitor Immigrants

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Post by snarfybarfy » Wed, Oct 24, 2018, 9:30 AM UTC

makewavesnotwar wrote: post #41

Sure and while you're at it why not implement cameras all over every roadway to automatically ticket you every time you break the speed limit. Or better yet, why not devise a real time geolocation device to be embedded in cars and then lobby for it to be nationally adopted so people literally can't speed? The reality is that very few people want to live in that world and even if we do fully adopt technologies like th…

While I agree with your general point, I have to take objection to your car analogy.

Whether a car is travelling at 30 or 40mph makes a huge difference.

Kinetic energy is the square of the velocity and it also affects reaction time:

Total stopping distance (reaction time + braking distance):

@30mph = 44 feet + 43 feet = 87 feet

@40mph = 59 feet + 76 feet = 135 feet

Which means that chances are fairly good if you hit something 60 feet away going 30mph, but pretty grim going 40mph (basically full speed impact).

http://www.forensicdynamics.com/stopping-braking-distance-ca...

Re: Amazon Pitches Facial Recognition to Monitor Immigrants

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Post by SmellyGeekBoy » Wed, Oct 24, 2018, 9:32 AM UTC

ozgurozkan wrote: post #33

Don’t Worry!!! Face recog startup founder here. Amazon’s tech only allows them to monitor a specific people list in real time. So search period should be limited. Otherwise it’s so expensive to do that. It only tracks for specific target list on real time cameras or photos. When it comes to searching on archives Amazon is so expensive to do it. As Reminisce Inc we are a photo delivery company. We have a face search t…

> Don’t Worry!!! Face recog startup founder here. Amazon’s tech only allows them to monitor a specific people list in real time.

Don't worry because I'm presumably not on that list? But what if I am somehow? And what about the people who are? Who sticks up for their interests?

I know I'm basically replying to a spam comment here but this logic just doesn't make sense. It's basically the "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear" argument all over again.