Rust can be difficult to learn and frustrating, but it's also very exciting

Post by lossolo » Tue, Oct 23, 2018, 5:16 PM UTC

ilovecaching wrote: post #109

xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #100

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> Many people believe that Go rose to popularity because of the authors and the company sponsoring it, not on its technical merits I don't believe this to be the popular opinion. Originally Google's involvement dissuaded me, and indeed the very Googly bits have been the worst (context.Context), but the rest of it is markedly un-google-like. It's much more of a Bell Labs feel, with a focus on tool efficiency and stabi…

> There were a lot of good ideas over the years (especially in Plan 9) and Go is really just a modern, polished revision of those ideas glued together. Plan 9 is an operating system. If you're referring to goroutines, CSP is completely unrelated to any of the work done at Bell Labs. That was Hoare. Go also kept a ton of terrible ideas, like nil, void (interface{}), and default mutability. > Go is a _systems_ language…

Post by whytaka » Tue, Oct 23, 2018, 5:48 PM UTC

13415 wrote: post #21

I've learned a bit of Rust recently but then started programming in Go. Now that I've learned a decent amount of Go I'm thinking of giving Rust another try, because Go has so many obvious weaknesses. However, I'm still torn between those languages, which I both consider as fancy alternatives to C++ with a growing amount of libraries and community support. I neither like Go nor Rust, but learn them to keep up to date…

Post by kbob » Tue, Oct 23, 2018, 6:25 PM UTC

rqs wrote: post #78

ilovecaching wrote: post #58

Rust is the answer to the question "can we have speed, correctness, and expressiveness in one language?" My company has been running Rust in production for awhile now, and it's exceeded every expectation. It's fast, it's safe, and it's so productive it's hard to find a reason to use anything else. We've also found that the learning curve is, in our opinion, a bit overstated. We've ramped up several new grads on Rust…

I think the learning curve thing is depends on what's the language that you are compare it with. C++ for example, is a hard language, but the learning curve is ... progressive (rise bit by bit). Rust on the other hand, is like climbing a cliff: You're exposed to everything as soon as you start learning. That's all the Rust things (memory safety model and borrow etc) plus the rest of the knowledge that you need to lea…

Post by weberc2 » Tue, Oct 23, 2018, 6:43 PM UTC

igouy wrote: post #229

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The benchmarks game is just that: a game. Notably, Go programs are prohibited from doing certain optimizations that are permissible for C++ programs. The conventional wisdom is that Go and Java are within the same order of magnitude as C++ though still slower. I’d accept that they are a full order slower, but not multiple orders. > Do you dispute nil and * I dispute that Go’s pointer is a “raw pointer” in any meaning…

> The benchmarks game is just that: a game. The name "benchmarks game" signifies nothing more than the fact that programmers contribute programs that compete (but try to remain comparable) for fun not money. It's what you make of it. https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/... > Go programs are prohibited from doing certain optimizations that are permissible for C++ programs Which programs? Which…

Post by kbob » Tue, Oct 23, 2018, 6:54 PM UTC

village-idiot wrote: post #210

emmelaich wrote: post #182

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There is no such thing as white space insensitive language.

Aside from strings, isn’t C white space insensitive?

    intmain()
    {
        r etu rn0;
    }