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Why did the golden age of the Simpsons end?

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Re: Why did the golden age of the Simpsons end?

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What about the simpsons is unhealthy for kids?

Having a bad kid as a role model I think does impact children. I.e., Bart. Edit: I'm not sure people realize I'm not the grandparent, or that I was directly quoting him to answer the question?

The goal posts have moved so far on what it means to be a little shit in cartoons that Bart seems almost angelic. I'd be more concerned if my children started aping Lisa's holier-than-thou idealism.

Re: Why did the golden age of the Simpsons end?

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Whenever we talk about Simpsons decline it always occurs to me that even in decline... the Simpsons is still pretty good. Perhaps that says more about its high points than the "decline".

I think the decline is largely bullshit nostalgia. I still watch Simpsons and I still think it's great.

I disagree. I only got cable after '01, so I watched episodes from seasons 13-16 in parallel with reruns of the older ones (sometimes one after the other) and I thought the difference was clear. In fact, I stopped watching when I ran out of unseen reruns.

Re: Why did the golden age of the Simpsons end?

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I would not. The Simpsons seem inherently antiquated now. (To me! This is an opinion, not an assertion!) It’s hard to put my finger on why I feel like this, but I think a large part is that it only recognizes the stresses and anxieties we had leaving the reagan era. This is not to say, by any means, that the humor doesn’t hold up. It does! But it doesn’t help soothe living in a capitalist-realist society the way, say…

The Simpsons were pushing the envelope when the show came out, doing things that were considered almost radical at the time. But they are just stuck in time, following their formula while subsequent animated shows (e.g. South Park) have gone much farther than the Simpsons ever did. The show often also feels like the writers are just rehashing old ideas, and there seem to be a few archetypes of stories that just keep…

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Re: Why did the golden age of the Simpsons end?

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Purely anecdotal, but as a Simpsons fans many years ago (and not really following the show anymore), I think there are many of us who grew up with the Simpsons who simply don't have the time (as we've gotten older and have other chores and priorities to take care of first) to follow the show anymore.

Re: Why did the golden age of the Simpsons end?

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I would not. The Simpsons seem inherently antiquated now. (To me! This is an opinion, not an assertion!) It’s hard to put my finger on why I feel like this, but I think a large part is that it only recognizes the stresses and anxieties we had leaving the reagan era. This is not to say, by any means, that the humor doesn’t hold up. It does! But it doesn’t help soothe living in a capitalist-realist society the way, say…

The Simpsons were pushing the envelope when the show came out, doing things that were considered almost radical at the time. But they are just stuck in time, following their formula while subsequent animated shows (e.g. South Park) have gone much farther than the Simpsons ever did. The show often also feels like the writers are just rehashing old ideas, and there seem to be a few archetypes of stories that just keep…

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Re: Why did the golden age of the Simpsons end?

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One possible problem with this - I listened to the Simpsons commentary tracks a long time ago and one comment the writers gave was that episodes were hashed out in the writers room, and everyone contributed jokes. Once an episode was hashed out, one or two people would then be assigned to put it together. This would mean an episode could be listed as written by a specific person, but the best jokes in that episode co…

>were talking to would bring up jokes that were written by the other writers.

When asked about her favorite joke on 30 Rock in an interview, Tina Fey could recite the joke, but couldn't remember who wrote it for a similar reason

Re: Why did the golden age of the Simpsons end?

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I would not. The Simpsons seem inherently antiquated now. (To me! This is an opinion, not an assertion!) It’s hard to put my finger on why I feel like this, but I think a large part is that it only recognizes the stresses and anxieties we had leaving the reagan era. This is not to say, by any means, that the humor doesn’t hold up. It does! But it doesn’t help soothe living in a capitalist-realist society the way, say…

The Simpsons were pushing the envelope when the show came out, doing things that were considered almost radical at the time. But they are just stuck in time, following their formula while subsequent animated shows (e.g. South Park) have gone much farther than the Simpsons ever did. The show often also feels like the writers are just rehashing old ideas, and there seem to be a few archetypes of stories that just keep…

That's true of a lot of long-running shows. Even if they don't become worse in the sense that individual episodes are worse taken in isolation, they're often just repetitious and, as you say, stuck in time.

You see this elsewhere too. In comic strips, for example, Dilbert is mostly stuck in some 90s version of cubicle life at a big company like Pac Bell. Don't really reaad it any longer but even when nothing is wrong with a given strip I've probably seen some version of it 10 times before.

Re: Why did the golden age of the Simpsons end?

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In some fairness, buying the DVDs used on eBay for the first 10 seasons isn't terribly expensive. I got some of them as cheap as four dollars. I spent a few afternoons ripping all of them and adding them to my streaming server. I realize that most people don't have streaming servers, but I think most of the people here probably have something that can read off a flash drive?

As crazy as this feels to say, ordering a dvd and figuring out a way to consume it in this day and age is a huge ask! I haven’t had a DVD player in my house for about 6 years now & no CD-ROM drive in my laptop. And, again I can hardly believe I’m saying this, it would be such a hassle to physically insert the disk when I felt like watching! It’s got to be on HBO/Netflix/Hulu/Amazon or available on demand from my tv p…

I actually bought my DVD drive specifically for this Simpsons-project, but I've found it has been handy since then to have it lying around. Occasionally I have an old DOS game I want to play, or a more obscure CD that I want to rip, that I wouldn't have bothered with before, but now, why the hell not?

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There's a very interesting YouTube video that has a bit more of an explanation on why The Simpsons had a decline. I liked how they analyze the show and IMO it does a great job explaining why lots of people loved the show up until season 9-10. Personally I think I enjoyed up to season 12 or so, but definitely after 10 I noticed the shift in style/quality/whathaveyou. Could never put it into words why it felt like that…

See also: Dead Homer Society, if you prefer reading. https://deadhomersociety.com/zombiesimpsons/ Pretty compelling argument for the end of the golden age being season 9, maybe 11 or 12 if you're being very generous, including analysis of writer and other personnel changes, and an attempt at explaining what exactly is different about the earlier seasons compared with the later ones. Seems like the video's making simi…

I wasn't aware of this.

Very cool!

Re: Why did the golden age of the Simpsons end?

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How much of this is not attributable to quality but instead to streaming options? I watched The Simpsons for most of my childhood, up until college when I was too busy working and studying--most of my TV time then went to Stargate SG-1 and other Sci-fi. Futurama and Family Guy were in the mix as well up until that time. However, I HAVE still watched Futurama and Family Guy in adulthood, because they were available to…

I would not. The Simpsons seem inherently antiquated now. (To me! This is an opinion, not an assertion!) It’s hard to put my finger on why I feel like this, but I think a large part is that it only recognizes the stresses and anxieties we had leaving the reagan era. This is not to say, by any means, that the humor doesn’t hold up. It does! But it doesn’t help soothe living in a capitalist-realist society the way, say…

I think it is economic and educational and the norms shifting. Their circumstances are increasingly implausible and things are pretty decomputerized. They have accidentally become a period piece as time passes them by.

While the house quality varies according to gag it is a large and well appointed house with one income from someone without a college degree from working at the plant in a physically undemanding is if not anchronistic increasingly less and less everyman representative. Even married people who are well off tend towards dual income households these days for one. The economy is far more service than industrial and the industrial has largely skilled up and automated. And that goes without discrediting of so many past tropes by time. Well meaning wholesome dolt manages to fail to fit the milieu in many ways and has been considered still overused decades ago even with their disapperance.

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