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Why did the golden age of the Simpsons end?

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Re: Why did the golden age of the Simpsons end?

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I listened to the DVD commentaries of many of the early seasons and the writers/showrunners complained about how the episode length was slowly cut back (though I'm having a hard time finding good data online about how much) and this directly impacted the quality of the show.

They specifically called out the inability to write compelling "B" stories within the episode, which often are what gave episodes some greater depth.

Re: Why did the golden age of the Simpsons end?

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How much of this is not attributable to quality but instead to streaming options? I watched The Simpsons for most of my childhood, up until college when I was too busy working and studying--most of my TV time then went to Stargate SG-1 and other Sci-fi. Futurama and Family Guy were in the mix as well up until that time. However, I HAVE still watched Futurama and Family Guy in adulthood, because they were available to…

If you have any reasonable cable package or something like Sling, you get access to the Simpsons World roku app or site which allows you to stream every episode.

http://www.simpsonsworld.com/

Re: Why did the golden age of the Simpsons end?

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How much of this is not attributable to quality but instead to streaming options? I watched The Simpsons for most of my childhood, up until college when I was too busy working and studying--most of my TV time then went to Stargate SG-1 and other Sci-fi. Futurama and Family Guy were in the mix as well up until that time. However, I HAVE still watched Futurama and Family Guy in adulthood, because they were available to…

Planet Simpson was published in 2004 and has a very similar definition for the Golden Age to the one used in this article and its predecessor. If memory serves, Planet Simpson explains the definition using contemporaneous online reactions to "Principal and the Pauper". Either way, both Principal and the Pauper and Planet Simpson predate the streaming age by many years.

Re: Why did the golden age of the Simpsons end?

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There are a lot of shifts that changed The Simpsons, but the biggest one for me was the shift to being almost constantly satirical.

Classic Simpsons would occasionally get a bit satirical or referential (like when Bush Sr made a guest appearance), but modern Simpsons seems more satirical than not. Episodes like the one featuring the "MyPod" with "Steve Mobs" basically had my eyes rolling into the back of my head. That's such low-hanging fruit that they're picking it up off the ground. It's not even good enough to be considered sophomoric.

I want to watch The Simpsons and be entertained about ridiculous situations in _their_ world, and sure, throw in a wink to reality now and then. I don't really care for the family-friendly The Onion-light treatment.

Re: Why did the golden age of the Simpsons end?

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I ravenously consumed The Simpsons for most of my youth and loved it. I watch it now whenever I get the chance and love it, but life happened. I don't like my kids to watch it so they don't grow up Fd in the brain like me. Having a bad kid as a role model I think does impact children. It's also not the only game in town. Cartoon network quality has gone way way up. I used to watch 3-hour cartoons on Saturday morning,…

What about the simpsons is unhealthy for kids?

Having a bad kid as a role model I think does impact children.

I.e., Bart.

Edit: I'm not sure people realize I'm not the grandparent, or that I was directly quoting him to answer the question?

Re: Why did the golden age of the Simpsons end?

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One possible problem with this - I listened to the Simpsons commentary tracks a long time ago and one comment the writers gave was that episodes were hashed out in the writers room, and everyone contributed jokes. Once an episode was hashed out, one or two people would then be assigned to put it together. This would mean an episode could be listed as written by a specific person, but the best jokes in that episode co…

Futurama got cancelled and they made 3 straight to DVD movies which was supposed to be 26 episodes worth of content, and IIRC you could see it, each "movie" had 4 stories. The bad thing was, the humor got so so bad, with predictable lame one liners (Big Bang Theory-level lame). I wonder what sort of groupthink thought those jokes were funny, and what sort of dynamics the early Simpsons/Futurama writers group had to be able to output high quality humor...

Re: Why did the golden age of the Simpsons end?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about the simpsons is unhealthy for kids?

Having a bad kid as a role model I think does impact children. I.e., Bart. Edit: I'm not sure people realize I'm not the grandparent, or that I was directly quoting him to answer the question?

So, all cartoons then?

Bart is the archtype for screwing up amd learning your lesson. Omitting that seems worse parenting.

Re: Why did the golden age of the Simpsons end?

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My theory is that the show started to decline after about eight or nine years on the air, which is just about enough time for young fans to grow up, go to college, start their career in writing, and then end up on the Simpsons team.

The last person you want writing on a show like that is a life-long super-fan.

Re: Why did the golden age of the Simpsons end?

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How much of this is not attributable to quality but instead to streaming options? I watched The Simpsons for most of my childhood, up until college when I was too busy working and studying--most of my TV time then went to Stargate SG-1 and other Sci-fi. Futurama and Family Guy were in the mix as well up until that time. However, I HAVE still watched Futurama and Family Guy in adulthood, because they were available to…

I would not. The Simpsons seem inherently antiquated now. (To me! This is an opinion, not an assertion!) It’s hard to put my finger on why I feel like this, but I think a large part is that it only recognizes the stresses and anxieties we had leaving the reagan era. This is not to say, by any means, that the humor doesn’t hold up. It does! But it doesn’t help soothe living in a capitalist-realist society the way, say…

The Simpsons were pushing the envelope when the show came out, doing things that were considered almost radical at the time. But they are just stuck in time, following their formula while subsequent animated shows (e.g. South Park) have gone much farther than the Simpsons ever did.

The show often also feels like the writers are just rehashing old ideas, and there seem to be a few archetypes of stories that just keep popping up over and over again: "Homer is an incompetent idiot, but comes through for his family when needed", "Lisa feels alienated, because she's much smarter than the rest of the family", "Bart is a bad student and gets into trouble", "Marge is bored with her existence as a housewife and tries to break out of the monotony". At some point you should just admit that you have done everything you would with a concept and call it a day instead of dragging things out.

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