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Re: Linus Torvalds Back in Charge of Linux

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Welcome Linus 1.0.1-000 (first minor revision). Linus debugged his own communication routines after users complained.

People can change their habits only to a certain extent...

sudo change behaviour -f linus20.json

Re: Linus Torvalds Back in Charge of Linux

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Funny that their code of conduct contains all the standard equal rights no matter what XYZ, while this was never Linus problem. He never lashed out on people because of gender, race or sexual preference. It should simply have said "Don't be an elitistic assh*le aginst people just doing their best."

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Having read her twitter posts she's no lady. Some of the most toxic vitriol available. She would easily fail her own code of conduct rules.

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> who believes meritocracy is racist and sexist Is it bad that nowadays I've trouble identifying whether this kind of categorization is redpillers bile or an accurate representation of an increasingly dominant extreme left? Would you have a quote from that lady, and if correct, how did she get in the position of writing Linux COC?

Here’s one: https://twitter.com/CoralineAda/status/874642259672801280

> “Meritocracy” is just thinly veiled misogyny and white supremacy propping up fragile cis het white men’s egos.

Or https://twitter.com/CoralineAda/status/1029952846492565504

> “Reverse racism” is such a weird phrase for “justice”.

Or https://twitter.com/CoralineAda/status/823064825366360065

> Why didn’t anyone punch the reporter giving the nazi air time?

(Note that the last one is endorsing violence against journalists. Not cool.)

Though I think you have the wrong impression. Coraline wasn’t asked to write the Linux CoC. They just used a CoC she wrote: https://www.contributor-covenant.org/

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> who believes meritocracy is racist and sexist Is it bad that nowadays I've trouble identifying whether this kind of categorization is redpillers bile or an accurate representation of an increasingly dominant extreme left? Would you have a quote from that lady, and if correct, how did she get in the position of writing Linux COC?

Not that I believe the fierceness of the assertion however.

The CoC's writer's blogpost https://where.coraline.codes/blog/my-year-at-github/ certainly proves she has issues with the term "meritocracy"

> At first I had my doubts. I was well aware of GitHub's very problematic past, from its promotion of meritocracy in place of a management system

And most articles I have read detail the idea that "meritocracy" is inherently biased because it is men deciding the merit (since male dominated) https://readwrite.com/2014/01/24/github-meritocracy-rug/

She wrote a COC and various projects have adopted it to a lesser and greater extent and with varying levels of controversy

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> who believes meritocracy is racist and sexist Is it bad that nowadays I've trouble identifying whether this kind of categorization is redpillers bile or an accurate representation of an increasingly dominant extreme left? Would you have a quote from that lady, and if correct, how did she get in the position of writing Linux COC?

It is extremely easy to look this up... Just check the screenshot in my above comment, Twitter, the post-meritocracy site, Coreline's blog, etc... When Coreline was Corey, he was not an activist - and was not given such power. When he was a man he worked in a meritocracy. Now that he's changed his gender he wants a "post-meritocracy." This is not hateful to say; it is merely an account of history. And if you're going to call me out for saying "he" - remember every cell in his body has a Y chromosome in it, and what language policing you will have to endure if it were enforced (which is it becoming, as you can see by the fact that my comment history is mostly censored).

Re: Linus Torvalds Back in Charge of Linux

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Welcome Linus 1.0.1-000 (first minor revision). Linus debugged his own communication routines after users complained.

People can change their habits only to a certain extent...

Except for Unix kernels and version control systems, I would say. #hailLinus

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I am now waiting for a post from Linus entitled: "Behaviour therapists are just bullshitters" ;)

Welcome Linus 1.0.1-000 (first minor revision). Linus debugged his own communication routines after users complained.

If Linus is really the messiah (ans he probably is), he will soon illuminate us again. About human interactions, this time.

Re: Linus Torvalds Back in Charge of Linux

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Funny that their code of conduct contains all the standard equal rights no matter what XYZ, while this was never Linus problem. He never lashed out on people because of gender, race or sexual preference. It should simply have said "Don't be an elitistic assh*le aginst people just doing their best."

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She is not communist, communism is all about meritocracy, I don't read anywhere in the books of Marx all this gender and equality bullshit.

Communism says that no matter who you are you are evaluated for the work you do, having policies that explicitally favorites womans is not communism, is discrimination against mens

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> who believes meritocracy is racist and sexist Is it bad that nowadays I've trouble identifying whether this kind of categorization is redpillers bile or an accurate representation of an increasingly dominant extreme left? Would you have a quote from that lady, and if correct, how did she get in the position of writing Linux COC?

Here’s one: https://twitter.com/CoralineAda/status/874642259672801280 > “Meritocracy” is just thinly veiled misogyny and white supremacy propping up fragile cis het white men’s egos. Or https://twitter.com/CoralineAda/status/1029952846492565504 > “Reverse racism” is such a weird phrase for “justice”. Or https://twitter.com/CoralineAda/status/823064825366360065 > Why didn’t anyone punch the reporter giving the nazi ai…

OK, so I can't really find fault with the CoC itself, but the motivation as described in your link is indeed questionable, though I'd say worthy of discussion:

> Studies have shown that organizational cultures that value meritocracy often result in greater inequality. People with “merit” are often excused for their bad behavior in public spaces based on the value of their technical contributions. Meritocracy also naively assumes a level playing field, in which everyone has access to the same resources, free time, and common life experiences to draw upon. These factors and more make contributing to open source a daunting prospect for many people, especially women and other underrepresented people.

So, if merit is used to excuse bad behavior I agree that it's a problem (a fairly solvable one though I'd think). But I also detect an inequality-of-outcome kind of stance here, as inequality due to merits is seen as a bad thing. I just always have trouble imagining the end game of that kind of thinking - even in Stalinism, people with higher abilities were selected for various more demanding tasks. Are they saying that everyone is absolutely born with the same abilities? Because that's just so easy to falsify with data.

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Having read her twitter posts she's no lady. Some of the most toxic vitriol available. She would easily fail her own code of conduct rules.

That's actually pretty typical of crusaders, IME. Most of them don't actually want to end the Lord of the Flies pecking order. They just want to shift around who is on top crapping on people and who is getting crapped on. Generally speaking, they want to do the crapping (along with some highly arbitrary set of "their people") and whomever currently has privilege they would like to see getting crapped on.

Their "vision" is a form of revenge fantasy, basically, not actually a better world.

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