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Re: 42 (school)

#41

Post by realusername »

titanix2 wrote: post #26
EZ-E wrote: post #10

This kind of discussion will end up being the typical (French) disdain between people learning engineering in the public schools v/s the ones learning in these "practical teaching" private schools and vice versa. There are good engineers in both, both have different approach to teach which fit different people. Both do generally good in the private sector after they're done with it. As usual the people graduating fro…

You forgot to mention the private schools are expensive and use a somewhat pyramidal scheme where older students teach newer ones to repaid part of their school fees. In public education all teachers hold PhD or engineer titles so they have more years to think about what they teach than the guy who is only year+2 of the teachee. Edit: I checked Epitech tuition fees, it's around 40k€ for the whole 5 years curriculum.…

It's indeed very expensive but if you want a school with a 5 years curriculum focused on practice it's not like there's much choice in the public schools unfortunately.

Re: 42 (school)

#42

Post by JeanMarcS »

titanix2 wrote: post #26
EZ-E wrote: post #10

This kind of discussion will end up being the typical (French) disdain between people learning engineering in the public schools v/s the ones learning in these "practical teaching" private schools and vice versa. There are good engineers in both, both have different approach to teach which fit different people. Both do generally good in the private sector after they're done with it. As usual the people graduating fro…

You forgot to mention the private schools are expensive and use a somewhat pyramidal scheme where older students teach newer ones to repaid part of their school fees. In public education all teachers hold PhD or engineer titles so they have more years to think about what they teach than the guy who is only year+2 of the teachee. Edit: I checked Epitech tuition fees, it's around 40k€ for the whole 5 years curriculum.…

Isn’t 42 free ?

Re: 42 (school)

#43

Post by gbersac »

__initbrian__ wrote: post #13

Any 42 silicon valley grads here on HN? How was it?

I am a french 42 graduate. It was a lot of fun and I learned a lot of usefull stuff. I am now an IT programmer since 2 years in a selective IT company. Everything is going well.

Re: 42 (school)

#44

Post by sacado2 »

maxymoos wrote: post #30
fhrow4484 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> private schools are expensive > I checked Epitech tuition fees, it's around 40k€ for the whole 5 years curriculum $9100 a year is indeed expensive for French schools, but I'm sure some Americans on the other side of the ponds are chuckling right now.

For comparison purposes, tuition fees in a French public engineering school were around 700€/$800 per year when I was there about a decade ago, and I wouldn't expect this to have changed much.

In the University where I teach, fees are below €500 a year, AFAIK.

Re: 42 (school)

#45

Post by JeanMarcS »

gjmacd wrote: post #4

"The candidates must be between 18 and 30 years of age (18 - 45 in Silicon Valley).[14] No previous diploma is required." Age discrimination at its best. Cap it at 45? How many people over 30 (45 in the US) are trying to retool and get educated on programming?

Well I guess it’s mostly because in France there is a difference between young and adult formations.

As you might know, in France, we are good at taxation. One for the companies is for « formation continue », which is for adults formation.

For example, you work in a company and ask them to get a formation in a particular subject. If it suits the company they can pay it for you, and it costs them less than the tuition because it’s paid in part by the state (with the tax I mentioned).

So there are a lot of private « schools » dedicated to adult formation, in general separated from the « classic » student cursus.

Re: 42 (school)

#46

Post by loup-vaillant »

JeanMarcS wrote: post #42
titanix2 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You forgot to mention the private schools are expensive and use a somewhat pyramidal scheme where older students teach newer ones to repaid part of their school fees. In public education all teachers hold PhD or engineer titles so they have more years to think about what they teach than the guy who is only year+2 of the teachee. Edit: I checked Epitech tuition fees, it's around 40k€ for the whole 5 years curriculum.…

Isn’t 42 free ?

It is. It's Epitech that's expensive.

Re: 42 (school)

#47

Post by sacado2 »

EZ-E wrote: post #10

This kind of discussion will end up being the typical (French) disdain between people learning engineering in the public schools v/s the ones learning in these "practical teaching" private schools and vice versa. There are good engineers in both, both have different approach to teach which fit different people. Both do generally good in the private sector after they're done with it. As usual the people graduating fro…

I firmly believe you need both theory and practice to be a good engineer (note I neither said technician or company founder/manager). Now, I tend to think most Universities / public schools tend to focus a little too much on theory and not enough on practice, and schools like 42 seem to focus way too much on pure practice.

Re: 42 (school)

#50

Post by valw »

tripue wrote: post #35

There is a bunch of successful companies led by graduate from theses kind of school. Check out vente privée CTO. Another example could be the core team that developed docker that was from there as well.

Sure, but this doesn't tell us anything about the role 42 played in these successes - there's also a fair number of successful entrepreneurs without any higher education, should we infer from it that no education is the key to success?
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