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Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by josephg »

err4nt wrote: post #104
simias wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Leaving aside the religious aspect of the CoC which are probably going to be controversial the other rules are actually fairly common sense. A few that caught my eye: > Do not give way to anger. > Do not nurse a grudge. > Do not entertain deceit in your heart. > Do not give a false peace. > Do not swear, for fear of perjuring yourself. > Utter only truth from heart and mouth. > Do not return evil for evil. > Be not a…

A very tall order, but if you could meet all of those rules you would certainly be the exact kind of person I would hope to run into when contributing to an open-source community <3

I completely agree. Especially with this:

> This rule is strict, and none are able to comply perfectly. Grace is readily granted for minor transgressions.

I'm an atheist. And yet, despite the explicit religious tone, I think this is one of the best codes of conduct I've ever seen. I'd love to see someone write the equivalent document using something less religious, like Aurelius's Meditations as the base.

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by aidenn0 »

SQLite wrote: post #89
bitcynth wrote: post #78

Regardless if this is a joke or not, this is not acceptable, you can't put religious things in the code of conduct. Even if it is a joke, it is still awful and I wish that it gets removed quickly.

> you can't put religious things in the code of conduct. Why not? Isn't the whole point of a code-of-conduct to describe the ethical values of a community? And isn't all ethics a kind of religion, even if it does not always make explicit mention of deity? From that point of view, every code-of-conduct is a credo, by definition. Suppose I were to go in and edit St. Benedict's rules to omit all reference to "God" and "…

Not OP, but 1500 years of hindsight can give knowledge that could make up for any deficiency in wisdom. Furthermore the rules were written for those who were already professing belief in the christian deity.

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by todd3834 »

pjscott wrote: post #209
_pgmf wrote: post #128

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You wanna know how to tell if someone is an atheist? > I'm an atheist Oh wait, it doesn't matter -- they'll be sure to tell you.

A general problem with this genre of claims is that they're pure confirmation bias: you don't notice the people who don't tell you, because they don't tell you.

I'm pretty sure they were just trying to be funny.

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by whatisunseen »

oaktowner wrote: post #183
runjake wrote: post #122

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Good news, the CoC is inclusive for you, with the following: "those who wish to participate" ... "are expected to conduct themselves in a manner that honors the overarching spirit of the rule, even if they disagree with specific details. Polite and professional discussion is always welcomed, from anyone ." In other words, calm down.

It's weird, though, right? I mean, flip the logic. What if someone had a code of conduct that was clearly about people treating each other well...but started it with "First, you must acknowledge that there is no God." Or "First you must acknowledge that Mohammad is God's messenger." Or "First you must accept the mitzvot as binding." Or "Brahman is Truth and Reality." None of these is promoting inclusion. That said: I…

Um, that isn't flipping the logic at all.

It says 'love God'. It doesn't say 'acknowlege God exists'. The latter may be a prerequisite of the former, but the explicit rules are distinct, and have different flavors.

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by rleigh »

TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #166
whorleater wrote: post #151

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Because if you take it as a satirization of the adoption of CoC's, it's saying "we don't think CoC's address real problems and we'll do it with a general set of ideals that do nothing to solve problems". Which ignores the very real problem of harassment in tech.

According to others, the creator is actually a highly religious person. Why are you assuming that it's satire?

Given the context, I don't think they are mutually exclusive. It could be both a religious text and satirising other CoCs which are essentially religious in their own right.

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by christophilus »

roguecoder wrote: post #141
kqn35z wrote: post #91

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> Those "thousands of diverse communities" include the ones who were using their religion as a pretext to burn heretics/witches, torture homosexuals and in general oppress the weak and the diverse as well as the ones that today are still trying to infuse young people with their toxic shame when they are non-conforming. Wow, those Benedictine monks have really been up to some heavy shit.

They owned actual slave plantations, too: https://www.jstor.org/stable/981267 We don't often talk about the thousands of years of human rights abuses by monastic orders, but they are pretty horrific. Even in America in living memory, it includes the torture and murder of children and the coverup of those crimes: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/christinekenneally/orph...

That last read was truly grim.

However, to reject the Rule of St Benedict because some Benedictines lived in egregious violation of it is like rejecting the United States Bill of Rights because the United States has often acted in direct violation of it.

The Rule is, on the whole, a wonderful document, and there are today and have been through history a great many good people who live it day in and day out fairly faithfully. I'm privileged to call some such people my friends.

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by mscasts »

tgroshon wrote: post #186

People being far too literal here about the "Love the Lord God". Your God is whatever you worship, and yes even the Atheist worships something. The commandment is two parts: (a) Jehovah (The Lord) should be your God and (b) your God should be the priority in your life. If you're Atheist or another faith then replace A by identifying "your God" and make it your priority. Live with purpose!

> yes even the Atheist worships something

Actually, no. It's the absence of it. It's like saying not smoking is a habit. It makes no sense.

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by mikl »

drb91 wrote: post #194
mikl wrote: post #185

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So what is the game here? Put a random noun between "…" and "?"? Let me try: …airhockey?

Are you trying to communicate or be a dick? The only universal value I am aware of in san francisco is capitalism.

I would ask the same thing of you. Are you playing dumb or are you really not aware that SF is kinda out there on the U.S. left wing?

If I, a european who've only visited the U.S. a handful of times, know more of U.S. politics than you do, I really don't know what to say.

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by anbro »

josephg wrote: post #211
err4nt wrote: post #104

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A very tall order, but if you could meet all of those rules you would certainly be the exact kind of person I would hope to run into when contributing to an open-source community <3

I completely agree. Especially with this: > This rule is strict, and none are able to comply perfectly. Grace is readily granted for minor transgressions. I'm an atheist. And yet, despite the explicit religious tone, I think this is one of the best codes of conduct I've ever seen. I'd love to see someone write the equivalent document using something less religious, like Aurelius's Meditations as the base.

As a devout Christian (who really does like this Code of Conduct) I would also enjoy seeing a code of conduct based on Meditations.

I applaud your good taste in literature.

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