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AWS CEO Jassy follows Apple in calling for retraction of Chinese spy chip story

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Re: AWS CEO Jassy follows Apple in calling for retraction of Chinese spy chip story

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I really have little doubt that the Chinese are integrating their spy chips into computer hardware going to the big four or even the pentagon. It's probably how they stole the designs to the f-35[you know that plane that costs over a trillion dollars to develop]. It would catastrophic if apple knew or even acknowledges the possibility of the Chinese having a backdoor into their servers and would result in massive shi…

Even if we accept all that, it doesn't make the Bloomberg article right.

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I really have little doubt that the Chinese are integrating their spy chips into computer hardware going to the big four or even the pentagon. It's probably how they stole the designs to the f-35[you know that plane that costs over a trillion dollars to develop]. It would catastrophic if apple knew or even acknowledges the possibility of the Chinese having a backdoor into their servers and would result in massive shi…

> "you know that plane that costs over a trillion dollars to develop"

That $1+ trillion number is cost through 2070.

   $406.5 billion for acquisition of the jets 
   $1.1 trillion for operations and maintenance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning...

Re: AWS CEO Jassy follows Apple in calling for retraction of Chinese spy chip story

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If that's the only question then the answer for every major company is "guilty". I don't think doing business in china means that Bloomberg gets to make up a bunch of BS from mysterious anonymous sources without a single piece of physical evidence, wiping out billions in market value, and just call it a day and we're all supposed to believe it because they use the word "China". I think we can probably hold them, and…

It isn't really plausible that Bloomberg made up the story. They had to have a high degree of confidence to publish it. The question we all need to be asking is why they had that high degree of confidence. Where their information came from and whether or not those sources had ulterior motives to lead Bloomberg astray.

I have to imagine Bloomberg is also trying to find out why their story has not matched statements by the companies alleged to be involved so starkly. There is a story here, but what that story actually is is definitely in question.

Re: AWS CEO Jassy follows Apple in calling for retraction of Chinese spy chip story

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I really have little doubt that the Chinese are integrating their spy chips into computer hardware going to the big four or even the pentagon. It's probably how they stole the designs to the f-35[you know that plane that costs over a trillion dollars to develop]. It would catastrophic if apple knew or even acknowledges the possibility of the Chinese having a backdoor into their servers and would result in massive shi…

Saying "The Chinese are probably doing something bad" is very different from the very specific accusations that were made; "The Chinese are doing the same thing to us" is not a news story - what was reported by Bloomberg was a news story.

My point is that hand wavy "they have to be spying somewhere" is in no way a defense for the Bloomberg story. My reason why I'm very skeptical of the story is that I think it would be possible that SOMEONE would have physical evidence of it (given that it was a hardware hack) that they could show. So far Bloomberg hasn't really shown anything to back up their story.

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post #6

I really have little doubt that the Chinese are integrating their spy chips into computer hardware going to the big four or even the pentagon. It's probably how they stole the designs to the f-35[you know that plane that costs over a trillion dollars to develop]. It would catastrophic if apple knew or even acknowledges the possibility of the Chinese having a backdoor into their servers and would result in massive shi…

> how they stole the designs to the f-35 Any comprehensive report of this?

https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/kz9xgn/man-who-sold-f-35...

Re: AWS CEO Jassy follows Apple in calling for retraction of Chinese spy chip story

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that's the only question then the answer for every major company is "guilty". I don't think doing business in china means that Bloomberg gets to make up a bunch of BS from mysterious anonymous sources without a single piece of physical evidence, wiping out billions in market value, and just call it a day and we're all supposed to believe it because they use the word "China". I think we can probably hold them, and…

It isn't really plausible that Bloomberg made up the story. They had to have a high degree of confidence to publish it. The question we all need to be asking is why they had that high degree of confidence. Where their information came from and whether or not those sources had ulterior motives to lead Bloomberg astray. I have to imagine Bloomberg is also trying to find out why their story has not matched statements by…

I totally agree, I think they cobbled together bits and pieces and kind of put it together based on what they could find. The one guy they interviewed who is willing to talk said explicitly that this is what happened to him: https://9to5mac.com/2018/10/09/bloomberg/

Re: AWS CEO Jassy follows Apple in calling for retraction of Chinese spy chip story

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An easy way Bloomberg could support their story: allow one or more of their "senior insider" sources at Apple/Amazon to speak with another outlet (AP, NYT, whoever) who agrees to maintain their anonymity.

One of the interviewees did speak (though he's not apple or amazon), and said that Bloomberg completely misrepresented what he said to support this theory, which he totally disagrees with: https://9to5mac.com/2018/10/09/bloomberg/

Re: AWS CEO Jassy follows Apple in calling for retraction of Chinese spy chip story

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post #6

I really have little doubt that the Chinese are integrating their spy chips into computer hardware going to the big four or even the pentagon. It's probably how they stole the designs to the f-35[you know that plane that costs over a trillion dollars to develop]. It would catastrophic if apple knew or even acknowledges the possibility of the Chinese having a backdoor into their servers and would result in massive shi…

Saying "The Chinese are probably doing something bad" is very different from the very specific accusations that were made; "The Chinese are doing the same thing to us" is not a news story - what was reported by Bloomberg was a news story. My point is that hand wavy "they have to be spying somewhere" is in no way a defense for the Bloomberg story. My reason why I'm very skeptical of the story is that I think it would…

"Well it sounds like it could be real, so it's probably true" - I'm not sure why anyone thinks this is an acceptable counter-argument.
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