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Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by whorleater »

drb91 wrote: post #121
O2F2 wrote: post #10

Yes, it's meant as a joking stab at those who seemingly cannot live without having a CoC everywhere. Especially in projects they do not actually participate in. Now watch as this gets blown out of proportion, because this will make some people really, really angry. Id be very surprised if this stays up actually.

As an atheist, how could this possibly make someone mad?

Because if you take it as a satirization of the adoption of CoC's, it's saying "we don't think CoC's address real problems and we'll do it with a general set of ideals that do nothing to solve problems".

Which ignores the very real problem of harassment in tech.

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by clarkmoody »

joshberkus wrote: post #111
mikl wrote: post #87

An interesting mirroring of the popular CoCs these days. While they enshrine what one could call "San Francisco Democrat" values, this CoC enshrines christian conservative values. If you think value-based CoCs are fine, you shouldn't have a problem with this.

They're certainly Christian values, but they're not "conservative", at least not by the American definition. I'll point you to these tenets: * Relieve the poor. * Clothe the naked. * Visit the sick. ... those seem like "liberal values" to me, at least on the American spectrum.

Christ never advocates for the state to do anything. These are individual commands.

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by mikl »

joshberkus wrote: post #111
mikl wrote: post #87

An interesting mirroring of the popular CoCs these days. While they enshrine what one could call "San Francisco Democrat" values, this CoC enshrines christian conservative values. If you think value-based CoCs are fine, you shouldn't have a problem with this.

They're certainly Christian values, but they're not "conservative", at least not by the American definition. I'll point you to these tenets: * Relieve the poor. * Clothe the naked. * Visit the sick. ... those seem like "liberal values" to me, at least on the American spectrum.

Not to get into a huge political philosophy discussion here, but conservative people are on average some of the biggest donators to charitable groups who focus on tenets such as these. The "liberals" don't have a corner on wanting to help people, although people disagree how that help should be organised.

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by mikl »

stupidbird wrote: post #114
mikl wrote: post #87

An interesting mirroring of the popular CoCs these days. While they enshrine what one could call "San Francisco Democrat" values, this CoC enshrines christian conservative values. If you think value-based CoCs are fine, you shouldn't have a problem with this.

Of course value-based CoCs are fine. The problem with this isn't the content, it's the fact that they're using the content because they fundamentally disagree with codes of conduct.

So you would be fine if projects started adoping CoCs like these, if they did so seriously?

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by [deleted] »

roguecoder wrote: post #135
runjake wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good news, the CoC is inclusive for you, with the following: "those who wish to participate" ... "are expected to conduct themselves in a manner that honors the overarching spirit of the rule, even if they disagree with specific details. Polite and professional discussion is always welcomed, from anyone ." In other words, calm down.

The overarching spirit of The Rule of St. Benedict is service to Christ.

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Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by iodiniemetra »

_pgmf wrote: post #128
iodiniemetra wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

#1 on the list is: First of all, love the Lord God with your whole heart, your whole soul, and your whole strength. I'm an atheist - I am unable and unwilling to comply with this CoC. So yes, I would say that I am affected. Other well known religious folk in the foss world, such as Larry Wall, do not insist on this kind of exclusion.

You wanna know how to tell if someone is an atheist? > I'm an atheist Oh wait, it doesn't matter -- they'll be sure to tell you.

When it's in relation to a post asking, "who's really excluded", I think it's appropriate.

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by iodiniemetra »

runjake wrote: post #122
iodiniemetra wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

#1 on the list is: First of all, love the Lord God with your whole heart, your whole soul, and your whole strength. I'm an atheist - I am unable and unwilling to comply with this CoC. So yes, I would say that I am affected. Other well known religious folk in the foss world, such as Larry Wall, do not insist on this kind of exclusion.

Good news, the CoC is inclusive for you, with the following: "those who wish to participate" ... "are expected to conduct themselves in a manner that honors the overarching spirit of the rule, even if they disagree with specific details. Polite and professional discussion is always welcomed, from anyone ." In other words, calm down.

> disagree with specific details

Ah yes, "is there a god or not" is a specific detail, especially when it's in the context of a whole series of religiously motivated directives. /s

I hardly think that a repudiation of a set of CoC terms that I find directly exclusionary to me counts as warranting "calm down". I won't, thanks!

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by jymbo »

stephenr wrote: post #67
finnthehuman wrote: post #55

I am surprised at how dismissive and intolerant the comments here are of this code of conduct. And I say this as an atheist that still harbors a lot of resentment against my family's religion. Do you have so little empathy that you can't possibly image someone adopting The Rule of St. Benedict in good faith (no pun intended)?

> so little empathy that you can't possibly image someone adopting The Rule of St. Benedict in good faith I think it's more that the wording suggests the author pushing his own faith onto others.

That's what every CoC does.

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by jymbo »

mikeash wrote: post #85
svrtknst wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What rules in St. Benedict are comparable to "no coloreds" in your mind? Or do you find them unacceptable due to the context, i.e. that they are part of a larger religious text?

The very first rule is comparable. We generally consider religious discrimination to be on the same level as racial discrimination.

Do you truly _believe_ that? Would you say that is one of some number of truths you take on _faith_?

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by _pgmf »

iodiniemetra wrote: post #156
_pgmf wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You wanna know how to tell if someone is an atheist? > I'm an atheist Oh wait, it doesn't matter -- they'll be sure to tell you.

When it's in relation to a post asking, "who's really excluded", I think it's appropriate.

I'm pretty sure, if you are offended by the word God, you can substitute another word, such as "Ayn Rand" or "the human intellect". Nobodys insisting that you have to do...anything really.
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