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The rise of the robot farmer

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Re: The rise of the robot farmer

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I think op wanted to point out the comment that was saying how impossible picking grapes would be by ai.

Bah. Difficult is the word. When someone says something is impossible is just means they don't know how to solve the problem.

Or maybe the guy that "knows how to solve the problem" is solving some other problem, not the actual problem.

I count three wine makers among my friends. None of them machine harvest their own grapes, nor will source machine harvested grapes from other growers. It would be very bad for their respective brand images.

Re: The rise of the robot farmer

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The pitch from Small Robot Company's home page (https://www.smallrobotcompany.com/):

> We’re an agri-tech start up commercialising a deceptively simple idea: small robots not big tractors.

> Because unfortunately big tractors are neither efficient nor environmentally friendly. Currently, 95% of energy is used ploughing. And ploughing is only necessary because of heavy machinery crushing soil.

> We are building robots that will seed and care for each individual plant in your crop. They will only feed and spray the plants that need it, giving them the perfect levels nutrients and support, with no waste.

> This level of detail allows you to be kinder to soil, kinder to the environment, more efficient, more precise and more productive. It’s the best of all worlds. An increased yield, as well as minimal chemical usage. So you can increase revenues by up to 40%, reduce costs by up to 60%.

> Our robots are being designed and built by farmers, for farmers. Because we have spent the last year talking to you, we know you don’t want to buy robots. You are worried about the cost, and what happens if they break down. Instead you can lease our robots through a Farming as a Service (FaaS) model.

Obviously it may not be as good as it sounds. But it sounds amazing.

Also these quotes from the article about scale were interesting:

> The agility of agricultural robots means small farms with compact fields will no longer be at a disadvantage; independent shops and restaurants will be able to grow their produce on smallholdings efficiently tended by Rachel-like machines.

> ...

> “Most people think this is going to be expensive, is going to do everyone out of a job and is going to be good for the big farms, not the small farms,” he says. “It’s actually the exact opposite. The big farms are all about economies of scale: big fields, big tractors. We are developing small machines. I believe the extra production we need to feed the planet is going to come from small farms that can’t use those economies of scale.”

I love the idea of a farmer on 2 acres competing with Big Ag on price.

Re: The rise of the robot farmer

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I’m co-founder of the “space bots with lasers” company. Happy to answer any questions.

How efficient is laser weeding in time and energy?

Like, can the robot move down the row as fast as a human weeding by hand? Can it carry a car battery and weed for an eight hour shift?

Re: The rise of the robot farmer

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managing giant monocultures with a few giant machines (that may or may not be human controlled) is not what this article is about; it is about the huge potential that smallish robots have for farming. More diverse crops, less pesticides, less damage to soil, less energy use, mixed instead of mono cultures. Really exciting if this takes off, such a win for the environment, the landscape, and ultimately for everyone of…

Unlike what you would expect, small robots do more damage to the soil not less. Damage to soil is not linear with mass, A massive robot will do twice as much damage where it touches the ground (wheel tracks most likely, but there are other choices), but it will touch 10 times less ground to do the same work so the total averaged over all the land is much better. For the same reason, tracks generally end up doing more…

This. . . doesn't sound convincing to me.

Soil displacement is a function of machine weight AND surface area of tires/treads. Additionally, I'd expect the sharp edges of steel treads to disturb soil much worse than a similarly-weighted tractor with rubber tires.

Without doing extensive calculations, my anecdotal evidence is that I've seen bulldozer track "scars" from a single path that are decades old, while the damage from thousands of bicycles collectively veering from a paved path onto grass appears to heal itself in a year or two.

Re: The rise of the robot farmer

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Now for a bit of hubris: anyone else reading this feel that building a robot that could do pest/weed control and harvesting is almost a triviality compared to say, fixing enterprise software to maximize customer purchases and ad revenue? What are we all doing? Seriously, why can't each of us take a year of our lives and automate all the most awful jobs in the world? Asking for a friend :-P

As someone who dabbles with gardening and know some farmers. It is not as trivial as you think.

There is already a lot of technology and automation on big farms.

Re: The rise of the robot farmer

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I’m co-founder of the “space bots with lasers” company. Happy to answer any questions.

I've been thinking about a suite of robots on the residential level that could not only mow the grass and edge it, but also shovel snow, and perhaps eventually prune plants and pick the harvest. Would such a suite (or a base plus a suite of attachments) be practically affordable soon (say, cost less than $5k retail)?

Edit: oops, I guess this should be directed at the small robot company, not the space bots with laser company.

Re: The rise of the robot farmer

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A lot of them use legitimate guest worker systems, and it benefits everyone to have access to these workers.

'a lot of them' means exactly nothing. How many? Do you have some numbers? Last time I checked, the dept of labor was saying that about 40% of all agricultural workers are illegal immigrants and United Fresh Produce Association between 50 and 70 percent. So yeah, a lot of them don't use 'legit' systems. It must be very hard to cheer for building 'the wall' while employing illegals and getting federal subsidies. That'…

Farmers is plural - there are many of them and they do not agree. The farmers hiring illegals are not the same ones against building the walls.

I do know a farmer who have stopped offering more wages when they didn't get anyone to agree to work for $25/hr - meanwhile he can find illegals who will work for $15. (Compare to what walMart pays, he isn't trying to hire engineers)

Re: The rise of the robot farmer

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See the XKCD comic about pictures in parks and kinds of birds.

Hah thanks for that! https://xkcd.com/1425/ Still, image recognition is effectively a solved problem at this point for AI. Maybe there are still problems with notation and terminology that prevent widespread adoption?

Is there an update to this story or is it not true or some other possibility?

https://www.wired.com/story/when-it-comes-to-gorillas-google...

If you prefer a story not on wired (sometimes it shows a subscription nag for me) - https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/12/16882408/google-racist-go...

Re: The rise of the robot farmer

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

See the XKCD comic about pictures in parks and kinds of birds.

Hah thanks for that! https://xkcd.com/1425/ Still, image recognition is effectively a solved problem at this point for AI. Maybe there are still problems with notation and terminology that prevent widespread adoption?

There are many different weeds, and some look a lot like non-weeds. Weeds of the same species often look different in different area. Companies are working on the problem, but you can't train on weeds in one area and go to the next.
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