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Re: SQLite Code of Conduct

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Post by Barrin92 »

klohto wrote: post #34
crispyambulance wrote: post #22

Of course it is satirical but I think people forget that the CoC's that been gaining traction lately are themselves a response to a real problem. Yes, some CoC's may be fodder for satire and criticism because they cross the line when it comes to being excessively dogmatic. However, these things exist because online communities have been beset by hordes of assholes for a very long time. Many people feel excluded or ar…

What problem? We didn't need CoC for 20 years, why do we need it now?

because software development has become a professional enterprise, and with that people develop standards on how to interact with each other in large and small organisations, rather than just winging it in a garage.

Anyway, "we didn't need X then, why do we need X now" is an absolutely atrocious argument. Because demands and communities change obviously, and with them how we conduct and organise our communities and organisations.

Re: SQLite Code of Conduct

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Post by bassman9000 »

crispyambulance wrote: post #22

Of course it is satirical but I think people forget that the CoC's that been gaining traction lately are themselves a response to a real problem. Yes, some CoC's may be fodder for satire and criticism because they cross the line when it comes to being excessively dogmatic. However, these things exist because online communities have been beset by hordes of assholes for a very long time. Many people feel excluded or ar…

Don't like the project community, don't use it, don't advocate for it, don't contribute to it, create an alternative.

Why is this so difficult to understand? Why this wave of active policing?

Re: SQLite Code of Conduct

#53

Post by wyoh »

fatbird wrote: post #42
klohto wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What problem? We didn't need CoC for 20 years, why do we need it now?

CoCs have been needed for 20 years and more. Now that we're getting them, there's discomfort at the disruption to the status quo, but it's a status quo that desperately needs disruption.

>CoCs have been needed for 20 years and more

No they have not. Everything was and is perfectly fine and cordial without them.

Re: SQLite Code of Conduct

#54

Post by Topolomancer »

crispyambulance wrote: post #22

Of course it is satirical but I think people forget that the CoC's that been gaining traction lately are themselves a response to a real problem. Yes, some CoC's may be fodder for satire and criticism because they cross the line when it comes to being excessively dogmatic. However, these things exist because online communities have been beset by hordes of assholes for a very long time. Many people feel excluded or ar…

I do not think it is supposed to be satirical. I think it was Richard Hipp's way of writing something down that aligns with his personal values. The CoC even states that people should just try to follow it as well as they can:

> This rule is strict, and none are able to comply perfectly. Grace is readily granted for minor transgressions. All are encouraged to follow this rule closely, as in so doing they may expect to live happier, healthier, and more productive lives. The entire rule is good and wholesome, and yet we make no enforcement of the more introspective aspects.

EDIT: Saw that someones else had already commented on this. Leaving it up anyway. Sorry, folks!

Re: SQLite Code of Conduct

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Post by pavel_lishin »

wyoh wrote: post #53
fatbird wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CoCs have been needed for 20 years and more. Now that we're getting them, there's discomfort at the disruption to the status quo, but it's a status quo that desperately needs disruption.

>CoCs have been needed for 20 years and more No they have not. Everything was and is perfectly fine and cordial without them.

> Everything was and is perfectly fine and cordial without them.

For you.

Re: SQLite Code of Conduct

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Post by coldsnap427 »

klohto wrote: post #34
crispyambulance wrote: post #22

Of course it is satirical but I think people forget that the CoC's that been gaining traction lately are themselves a response to a real problem. Yes, some CoC's may be fodder for satire and criticism because they cross the line when it comes to being excessively dogmatic. However, these things exist because online communities have been beset by hordes of assholes for a very long time. Many people feel excluded or ar…

What problem? We didn't need CoC for 20 years, why do we need it now?

A lot of sensitive people work in the field now, and they need a set of rules so other people won't be mean to them.

Re: SQLite Code of Conduct

#58

Post by cm2187 »

danielvf wrote: post #33
cm2187 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Regardless, I don't see how this satire could be considered dangerous. Watch the twitter mob forming outside the window!

You can watch the mob forming in realtime. https://twitter.com/search?q=sqlite&src=typd > "I hope there are discussions at REDACTED today about whether featuring SQLite on their front page is consistent with their values." > "The message is clear: if you're concerned about diversity, decency, and inclusiveness, stay well away from the SQLite project." > "I wonder if SQLite Consortium member organizations @mozilla, ND…

Pathetic. I am not a user of twitter precisely because I have no interest in reading those sort of reactions. But I am strangely fascinated by this continuous stream of 1st degree, knee jerk reactions, it's kind of like watching shit flowing out of a bull's ass...

Re: SQLite Code of Conduct

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Post by cholantesh »

OldManAndTheCpp wrote: post #45

It is not obvious that this is satire. Mr Hipp (main contributor) links his homepage at http://www.hwaci.com/drh/ . From that page, he links his wife (Mrs. Wyrick): http://www.hwaci.com/ggw/index.html . She has among her interests: http://www.hwaci.com/ggw/allerton.pdf "Church Music Resources". As mentioned elsewhere in this thread: SQLite is "Open-Source, not Open-Contribution". In that context, an openly religious…

We don't need to rely on this circumstance. We can point directly to Hipp's own words: https://twitter.com/DRichardHipp/status/1054360847319994368?...
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