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Fake news ‘as a service’ booming among cybercrooks

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Re: Fake news ‘as a service’ booming among cybercrooks

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I've been working on some algorithms I think can identify fake news easily and reliably. The key part is you have to have a massive dataset of historical information. With Datastreamer (my company) we have about 1PB of news, blogs, and social media from the last 4-5 years. I'm curious if it would make sense to ship an open/public API that would allow people both to report AND check on whether something is fake news.…

How does an algorithm short of strong AI do that?

Re: Fake news ‘as a service’ booming among cybercrooks

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the components of online anonymity is having different identites for different communities. That way if your expiremental political blog goes horribly wrong it doesn't take your professional life or hobby group with it

Well sure, you can treat being online as an advanced form of roleplaying, but then that just limits your ability to really engage in serious discussion, because you're just talking to other roleplayers. And that's fine for most topics, but when you talk about certain issues, I feel that speaking in an honest manner (and assuming everyone who isn't obviously trolling is doing the same) is the only way to really have a…

I'm talking more about different pseudonames and siloing personal information rather than full on different identites. I'm as authentic here as I am on my Reddit or professional GitHub accounts, and yet it still will require corporate level shenanigans to find and link them all together

Re: Fake news ‘as a service’ booming among cybercrooks

#43

The concept of "fake" news is a slippery slope. Anyone that's in the business of gathering and presenting news has a number of vested interests. Sensationalism. Fabrication. Fear mongering. Persuasion. Ingratiation. Language itself is mostly a tool for some shade of lying and/or intimidation, with the occasional fringe use of conveying factual information or for enabling cooperation between peers.

Really not sure what kind of people are downvoting these kinds of comments. Anyone care to enlighten?

Re: Fake news ‘as a service’ booming among cybercrooks

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post #16

If you haven't seen Century of the Self[1] I recommend it. It is a documentary about the history, and rise of PR. We are now, perhaps, at the end of the century of the self - as the trustworthiness (and hence value) of broadcast information drops to zero (not that it has yet, but it will). How our current news/media copes, and what replaces it are still unknown. 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnPmg0R1M04

>How our current news/media copes, and what replaces it are still unknown...

You should be more worried about how the current government copes with it. I think fake news might have helped Trump gain power in part, but it's DEFINITELY contributing to Trump losing power. Which illustrates that it's much easier to tear down with fake news than it is to build up.

That doesn't bode at all well for anyone who wants to be a mayor, or president, or senator, or police chief or whatever in the future.

Re: Fake news ‘as a service’ booming among cybercrooks

#45

The concept of "fake" news is a slippery slope. Anyone that's in the business of gathering and presenting news has a number of vested interests. Sensationalism. Fabrication. Fear mongering. Persuasion. Ingratiation. Language itself is mostly a tool for some shade of lying and/or intimidation, with the occasional fringe use of conveying factual information or for enabling cooperation between peers.

> Language itself is mostly a tool for some shade of lying and/or intimidation

No, not at all. Language can be used to that effect, sure, but there exists a little something called true/false.

Train yourself on seing nuances, if you have trouble separating false things from regular partisanship.

Re: Fake news ‘as a service’ booming among cybercrooks

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post #44
post #16

If you haven't seen Century of the Self[1] I recommend it. It is a documentary about the history, and rise of PR. We are now, perhaps, at the end of the century of the self - as the trustworthiness (and hence value) of broadcast information drops to zero (not that it has yet, but it will). How our current news/media copes, and what replaces it are still unknown. 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnPmg0R1M04

> How our current news/media copes, and what replaces it are still unknown... You should be more worried about how the current government copes with it. I think fake news might have helped Trump gain power in part, but it's DEFINITELY contributing to Trump losing power. Which illustrates that it's much easier to tear down with fake news than it is to build up. That doesn't bode at all well for anyone who wants to be…

100% agree with you, but I think for a lot of people who voted for Trump it might definitely have been an act of "tearing down" what was perceived as the corrupt establishment politics by these voters.

Re: Fake news ‘as a service’ booming among cybercrooks

#47
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I gave a talk at Denver startup week last year about the underlying profit incentives tied to fake news and how industry reforms in the way media companies do business could not only benefit the advertisers but also stop Fake news. At the end of the talk I had 3 people ask how they could make fake news to promote their startups. That this has turned into a booming industry surprises me 0%, though it is depressing.

My thought experiment for considering the moral limits of capitalism: If producing Soylent Green were legal and profitable, would there be actors willing to produce and sell it? If you answer no, see: Philip Morris, Lockheed, Beretta, etc.

You're being downvoted for some reason, but the point on morality and capitalism is sound.

For examples you might have been better choosing cases where the production rather than use by customers is problematic.

Radium paint and dials, asbestos, prior to 20th century regulations food and medicine fraud and adulteration so endemic that finding just the correct product was almost impossible. Which is what led those regulations in the first place.

Re: Fake news ‘as a service’ booming among cybercrooks

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post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My thought experiment for considering the moral limits of capitalism: If producing Soylent Green were legal and profitable, would there be actors willing to produce and sell it? If you answer no, see: Philip Morris, Lockheed, Beretta, etc.

Coca-Cola will likely kill more people than guns and organized crime, honestly. But I see your point. There is a lot of evidence that organized crime is a substitute for opportunities in legitimate society, so that example is perhaps not applicable. The opioid crisis caused by US pharma may be a bigger and better example.

"Organized crime" is an exceptionally poor example since the premise involves the legality of the activity/product. Edited. Regarding Coca-Cola vs guns - the list wasn't comprehensive :).

Re: Fake news ‘as a service’ booming among cybercrooks

#49

ok but what is the quality control like on all these tools to help do you illegal stuff? Better or worse than normal software. Is there any open source tools to help you do illegal stuff? Because if you can't see the source I think a good illegal tool moneymaking scheme would be to sell the tools to do illegal stuff and then blackmail the people who did illegal stuff for a part of the money. but that might also be da…

Almost all of the tools used to do legal stuff can also be used to do illegal stuff. You think scam websites are deep down built on Linux and Apache like everything else?

Re: Fake news ‘as a service’ booming among cybercrooks

#50
post #16

If you haven't seen Century of the Self[1] I recommend it. It is a documentary about the history, and rise of PR. We are now, perhaps, at the end of the century of the self - as the trustworthiness (and hence value) of broadcast information drops to zero (not that it has yet, but it will). How our current news/media copes, and what replaces it are still unknown. 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnPmg0R1M04

Good point. I highly recommend this documentary to anyone who hasn't watched it.

I highly recommend too - Adam Curtis at his finest
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