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Cleveland.com’s ‘right to be forgotten’ removes names from some crime stories

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Re: Cleveland.com’s ‘right to be forgotten’ removes names from some crime stories

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> Wouldn't that create a perverse incentive to get arrested for something if you want the thing to be forgotten? I doubt it - if you were never convicted, you can probably sue the ones retelling the story for defamation. > Or are we forced to not talk about ANYTHING bad that happened more than x number of years ago? The whole 'right to be forgotten' thing is not even about forcing people not to talk about something.…

Yes, that situation would suck, but you can’t use the law to stop people reminding you of things you did. Not every bad situation can be fixed by laws, not without creating even worse problems.

> but you can’t use the law to stop people reminding you of things you did.

Why not? In public places people are generally free to go where they want, but stalking is still illegal (in most jurisdictions that I am aware of). Has outlawing stalking led to even worse problems? I don't believe it has. I don't believe giving people who are not public figures the right to not have their names associated with certain search results concerning things many years in the past is going to lead to "even worse problems" (which?).

Note that a 'right to be forgotten'-like judgment was made in the USA in 1931 in Melvin v. Reid, and I don't think it has led to "even worse problems". Perhaps you could be more specific about the problems you foresee?

Re: Cleveland.com’s ‘right to be forgotten’ removes names from some crime stories

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Paranoid response: if such a versioning ledger were to exist, how could you trust it? The feasibility problem still remains (it is feasible to alter archives that were formerly infeasible) and you now rely on trust that (1) all alterations are accompanied by a versioning notice, and (2) the summary presented in the notice is accurate and complete.

>Paranoid response: if such a versioning ledger were to exist, how could you trust it? Blockchain to the rescue (for real this time, I think, I'm not an expert or a blockchain fanboy). A publicly ledger that anyone can verify hasn't been tampered with is the whole point.

Really, git is a blockchain, and it's exactly what you want for this.

Re: Cleveland.com’s ‘right to be forgotten’ removes names from some crime stories

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>Paranoid response: if such a versioning ledger were to exist, how could you trust it? Blockchain to the rescue (for real this time, I think, I'm not an expert or a blockchain fanboy). A publicly ledger that anyone can verify hasn't been tampered with is the whole point.

Really, git is a blockchain, and it's exactly what you want for this.

It’s far to easy to rewrite history in git.

Re: Cleveland.com’s ‘right to be forgotten’ removes names from some crime stories

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The problem is you can legally say you were never convicted of that crime if it's expunged. If a background check is performed, it will not show up on your record, which will be contradictory if it's still in a newspaper article (or some other public source). It's a catch-22. An employer cannot legally use it against you. If they see it in print they can discriminate (illegally, but who would know) against you. If yo…

You don't see a problem that the government is infringing on my right to post literal facts online?

It's not a fact, though. Expungements are the legally way of saying "this should have never happened and legally it did not" for criminal convictions. So anything saying that someone was convicted of Crime X when it was expunged is by definition not a factual article.

Re: Cleveland.com’s ‘right to be forgotten’ removes names from some crime stories

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Really, git is a blockchain, and it's exactly what you want for this.

It’s far to easy to rewrite history in git.

You are completely correct, I wonder why folks downvoted this.
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