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Announcing the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines

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Re: Announcing the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines

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Post by binaryapparatus »

Being politically correct vs getting the job done, I'll always choose getting the job done. There is plenty or role playing projects where your feeling matter more than your skills. In last couple of jobs I am always asking about company policy, if they start piling about diversity and getting everybody heard and how everybody's feelings are most important thing, I don't want to work there.

Earn your place with your quality and your skills, not with the help of inventing newer and newer rules until nobody can say how crappy, sub average and difficult to work with you are.

(Talking to a random programmer with no skills but huge area of possible butt-hurt).

Edit: btw can't agree more with Stallman if that's not clear from my post. Love that guy.

Re: Announcing the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines

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Post by jelly »

noch wrote: post #12
ekianjo wrote: post #2

> Please assume other participants are posting in good faith, even if you disagree with what they say. When people present code or text as their own work, please accept it as their work. Please do not criticize people for wrongs that you only speculate they may have done; stick to what they actually say and actually do. That's a breath of fresh air. There's always someone who tries to read between the lines and straw…

> There's always someone who tries to read between the lines and strawman people for what they did not say/express. The claim that there is always someone creating strawmen is itself the creation of a strawman. If you assume good faith of participants then it might be useful to assume good faith of those who criticise even if they misunderstand or misread or assume unwarranted implications.

"There's always one" is a common rhetorical device whose meaning is closer to "There's often one, and I easily forget the times there's not." I don't think the parent's intention was to make such a claim.

Re: Announcing the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines

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Post by Kenji »

Aah, I see that libero-fascism has now trickled all the way down. You will soon learn to appreciate classic values like:

- Respect those who earned it

- Criticise broken things ruthlessly

- Getting things done is more important than coddling everyone

You will see. Political correctness is deeply authoritarian and anti goal-oriented work. Hard and reliable workers will turn their backs on you.

Re: Announcing the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines

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Post by [deleted] »

civodul wrote: post #28

As co-maintainer of GNU Guix, I want to point out that the views expressed in Richard Stallman's message are his and not those of the Guix maintainers. In particular, by writing that codes of conduct are "punitive spirit", RMS shows a misunderstanding of how these texts came into existence. More importantly, by writing that he disagrees with "making diversity a goal", RMS seems to deny the role we free software peopl…

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Re: Announcing the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines

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Post by lawnchair_larry »

civodul wrote: post #28

As co-maintainer of GNU Guix, I want to point out that the views expressed in Richard Stallman's message are his and not those of the Guix maintainers. In particular, by writing that codes of conduct are "punitive spirit", RMS shows a misunderstanding of how these texts came into existence. More importantly, by writing that he disagrees with "making diversity a goal", RMS seems to deny the role we free software peopl…

Stallman’s guidelines fully support correcting biases. Making diversity a goal is identity politics, which is a very different thing than correcting biases.

Re: Announcing the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines

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Post by guardian5x »

I'm very glad that there seems to be change in the community, and also that Linus is doing some self-reflection. He is a role model for many in his position, and some people in discussions started to take his behavior as an excuse to have bad manners themselves and that it is ok to be rude to others.

Re: Announcing the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines

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Post by ubernostrum »

LiterallyDoge wrote: post #29

Is it really this complicated to treat other people with respect?

"Treat other people with respect" has been (in various forms and phrasings) a foundational principle of major moral frameworks around the world for thousands of years.

But espousing a principle, and abiding by that principle, are two very different things. Overwhelming empirical evidence suggests that getting the people who do the former to also do the latter is quite difficult, yes.

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