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Time to End Factory Farming?

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Re: Time to End Factory Farming?

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Post by super-serial »

elbasti wrote: post #24

About three months ago I decided to stop purchasing factory-farmed meat. It's been pretty difficult for a few reasons. The biggest reason, by far, is access to information. Roughly, I would like to purchase only meat from animals that lived a "happy" life and had a relatively short death. Animals that lived outdoors, basically. But there are no credible labels or certifications for this, which means buying meat at th…

I'm in Chicago - I used to have a subscription to this CSA: https://mintcreekfarm.com/about-us/

The problem is I don't like cooking enough(especially raw meat). If I receive pounds of meat every week it's just going to go to waste. I just want some organic soy-free, corn-free poultry that is precooked... I think the only option for something like that is to signup to a CSA and hire a personal chef.

Re: Time to End Factory Farming?

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Post by joevandyk »

elbasti wrote: post #24

About three months ago I decided to stop purchasing factory-farmed meat. It's been pretty difficult for a few reasons. The biggest reason, by far, is access to information. Roughly, I would like to purchase only meat from animals that lived a "happy" life and had a relatively short death. Animals that lived outdoors, basically. But there are no credible labels or certifications for this, which means buying meat at th…

Crowd Cow employee here. Animal welfare is incredibly important to us, and is the reason why many of us work here. We will look into ways of improving our messaging.

Re: Time to End Factory Farming?

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Post by rabidrat »

quadcore wrote: post #75

I dont like those extensive animal farming anyway but, cattles are responsible for 25% of greenhouse gas emission. Those factory farms are included is it? We must stop. Let's have some regulations; it's not so bad after all, it's just a matter of changing eating habits.

and eating habits are only the hardest habits for a culture to change, after all..

Re: Time to End Factory Farming?

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Post by rabidrat »

wott wrote: post #126
latch wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this a valid argument? You're right, consuming meat doesn't have to be related to factory farming. But consuming 220 pounds of meat, as far as I know, does.

Why? People have been raising or fattening a pig in their yard for ages. One or two pigs a year, add a couple of chickens on top of that, and here we go.

For ages there have not been billions of people. Now every year there are ~100m more people on the planet.

Re: Time to End Factory Farming?

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Post by kitsunesoba »

henryhenryhenry wrote: post #73

It’s the convenience factor. That’s it. Once plant-based options are more convenient than meat, game over. Most people lack the discipline to sustain a vegan lifestyle, even in 2018.

For me part of the problem is that the sort of satiation one gets from vegan options is different and less complete than the sort that comes from a meal with even a small portion of meat.

I can feel “full” with with beans, lentils, rice, etc, but it’s not nearly as satisfying. It’s a kind of “empty” fullness that quells the hunger but doesn’t leave me with the sense of having eaten a good meal. I’m never left particularly happy with the conclusion of these meals, they’re just OK, even if they’ve been fantastically well prepared and seasoned. It’s hard to explain, does anybody else experience this?

I think if I had to I could go vegetarian, but I absolutely cannot imagine going vegan. At minimum I need eggs and dairy.

Re: Time to End Factory Farming?

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Post by drenvuk »

another-cuppa wrote: post #130
drenvuk wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Watching it right now. Pretty gruesome so far, up to the kosher part but it's still not a deterrent. edit: Finished. I'm still going to eat that steak but some of those scenes will probably pop into my head while I'm eating. A bit annoying tbh.

Tbh you just sound like someone who knows what the right thing to do is but is too damn weak to do it for yourself. Your posts are screaming out "if it's the right thing, why won't someone make it easy for me to stop?" Sadly you are just like most people throughout human history. We're ashamed of some of the things people have done in the past, and in the future people will be ashamed of this.

Hah, hardly. I only care about my enjoyment when it comes to this. There is a difference between a person unable to control their desire to eat animals in the face of the suffering those animals undergo versus eating animals because they enjoy it and not giving a damn. Do you consider it wrong? Maybe. Do I? Not even slightly. I would sooner bludgeon and cut the animals myself than eat only vegetarian food. I'm not sure how this is hard to grasp.

Your assumptions about me are mistaken, don't be a jerk.

Re: Time to End Factory Farming?

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Post by sizzle »

drodgers wrote: post #129
elbasti wrote: post #24

About three months ago I decided to stop purchasing factory-farmed meat. It's been pretty difficult for a few reasons. The biggest reason, by far, is access to information. Roughly, I would like to purchase only meat from animals that lived a "happy" life and had a relatively short death. Animals that lived outdoors, basically. But there are no credible labels or certifications for this, which means buying meat at th…

Good on you for making a big effort here! Another harm-reduction approach like this which might be easier or preferable for some people is to just replace eating chicken with beef (bonus if the beef is ethically-sourced, but still worthwhile if not). Here's the core of the reasoning (quoted from http://slatestarcodex.com/2015/09/23/vegetarianism-for-meat-... ): The average cow is very big and makes 405,000 calories o…

My only issue here is the studies of cancer risk increasing with red meat consumption.

Re: Time to End Factory Farming?

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Post by sizzle »

elbasti wrote: post #24

About three months ago I decided to stop purchasing factory-farmed meat. It's been pretty difficult for a few reasons. The biggest reason, by far, is access to information. Roughly, I would like to purchase only meat from animals that lived a "happy" life and had a relatively short death. Animals that lived outdoors, basically. But there are no credible labels or certifications for this, which means buying meat at th…

Wow crowd cow is really cool. Is there an equivalent to crowd cow for organic farm vegetable?

Re: Time to End Factory Farming?

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Post by nojvek »

I’m a vegetarian but my dog eats kibble made from Chicken. This has always made me feel like a hypocrite. “I have to kill animals to keep my pet alive?”

Anyone have any good recommendations for approved non-dead-animals dog food?

Re: Time to End Factory Farming?

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Post by jobigoud »

balt_s wrote: post #121
anonuser123456 wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The brain structures present in mammals and humans that process suffering are very similar. That is basic neuroscience. So maybe it's ok to make animals suffer, but at least have consistent ethics and agree it's ok to make people suffer.

Conspecifics are more important than other species.

What a convenient after-the-fact justification. "more important" is a relative measure anyway, it has no bearing on the level of importance of the less important.
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