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So You Want to Open a Small Press Bookstore/Artist-Run Space? A Cautionary Tale

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Re: So You Want to Open a Small Press Bookstore/Artist-Run Space? A Cautionary Tale

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Could it have been that the author's business/community structure could have affected its outcome? I found having a more horizontal do-ocracy, membership-driven community model. I'm convinced that was essential to helping persist a few orgs that I've participated in cofounding. This CCC document [1] really drove that philosophy home for a few of us up here in Vancouver, BC. Highly recommend the read! That being said…

That CCC document deserves its own post!

Re: So You Want to Open a Small Press Bookstore/Artist-Run Space? A Cautionary Tale

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True to a greater or lesser extent of all businesses that are about bringing someone’s passion into the world rather than making money.

The arty passionate person five years later has an entirely new perspective on every single aspect of their venture.

When someone asks me about starting a business, I say, “exactly why?”, “what is is you really want from this, do you know?”. You’d be surprised st how few people are really clear on what they actually want the outcomes to be in a tangible way.

My advice is to create any business that makes money and do your passion as a hobby.

There’s another thing.... people starting their first business generally don’t understand the importance of cash flow. They don’t want to know, they’ve got no reference point in their head to understand it. Nothing you can say will bring them to understand the importance of cash flow. In a years time there will be those who grasped it (might still be in business) anc those who didn’t (out of business).

Re: So You Want to Open a Small Press Bookstore/Artist-Run Space? A Cautionary Tale

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While I can't speak to Starbucks, a similar coffee chain in Australia is actually a property play. They don't just own their cafe, but also several of the adjacent stores as well, which they lease out to other retailers. Much of the value in the business actually comes from appreciation in property values.

Starbucks equivalent in Australia? The only company I can think of to fill that space would be Gloria Jeans, but they don’t have the same pull as Starbucks.

I'm reluctant to say which company, as I'm not sure how public that information is.

It's worth pointing out Starbucks has several competitors in the cafe-chain space in Australia. There are cities in Australia where Starbucks tried opening & then closed down because they were unable to beat the local incumbent cafe chains.

Re: So You Want to Open a Small Press Bookstore/Artist-Run Space? A Cautionary Tale

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Can you explain that last bit please about having children? Is it that some people are motivated to have kids to block out the opportunity to fail in their own projects?

It's not about personal projects. It's just the fear that you will regret not having children when you reach the age when it's no longer possible. It's a shitty kind of motivation btw.

So did I get it the wrong way round, people have kids so they don’t risk failing in a business?

Re: So You Want to Open a Small Press Bookstore/Artist-Run Space? A Cautionary Tale

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A recent experience from a hackerspace showed me how incredibly thankless people can be. After working really insanely hard to build an inclusive space with loads of features, every little hobby revolutionary in the community just shits all over the work and proclaims the people actually getting stuff done should just stop and leave it to them. Even if I had the time, money and expertise I would never do something li…

>These days you can't even ban assholes without everyone making like you're the one with a problem. That's been true since always. Speaking as someone that was in that position within a few online communities back in ~98 or so. Strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

Yup - first line of advice I give to family now is "shut your social profiles, and get off of the internet. Failing which here are the things you need to look out for" and the proceed to list a fraction of the issues that I know about, and see them get uncomfortable.

Re: So You Want to Open a Small Press Bookstore/Artist-Run Space? A Cautionary Tale

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I never had any issue with the way Starbucks coffee tastes - it's just coffee. I definitely don't pick my coffee shops based on the coffee taste - it's only a matter of distance/price, nothing else.

Well, then you're not part of the segment that's targeted by specialist coffee shops.

Which circles back to this question

> It would be more accurate to ask: “How the F can anyone make any money when Starbucks is on every other street corner and has the advantages of scale they have.

Specialists stores have specialist profits - they wont be hitting the mass market, because the mass market taste profile is different.

If you try to grow, then you may as well give up to starbucks which has the money to taste test and advertise enough to ride the wave of human attention.

Re: So You Want to Open a Small Press Bookstore/Artist-Run Space? A Cautionary Tale

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Starbucks equivalent in Australia? The only company I can think of to fill that space would be Gloria Jeans, but they don’t have the same pull as Starbucks.

I'm reluctant to say which company, as I'm not sure how public that information is. It's worth pointing out Starbucks has several competitors in the cafe-chain space in Australia. There are cities in Australia where Starbucks tried opening & then closed down because they were unable to beat the local incumbent cafe chains.

Shall we call this mysterious coffee chain Glorious Pants Coffee Company?

Re: So You Want to Open a Small Press Bookstore/Artist-Run Space? A Cautionary Tale

#58

I’ve always thought that a remote tech job/lifestyle business is perfect for opening an art gallery / niche bookstore. You don’t need to worry about paying the bills, you have a private office / desk, and realistically you won’t get more than a few visitors per hour, so you can focus on work.

Have a remote job and opened a gallery with a friend. Was ultimately a frustrating experience.

Re: So You Want to Open a Small Press Bookstore/Artist-Run Space? A Cautionary Tale

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> And because you aren’t independently wealthy and/or don’t have a spouse who makes six figures, you’re probably going to be non-profit.

I don't understand the logic behind this. Wouldn't not being independently wealthy rather imply attempting to be for-profit?

Re: So You Want to Open a Small Press Bookstore/Artist-Run Space? A Cautionary Tale

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I have a friend who runs a brewery. They distribute a ridiculous amount of their product into stores around the world and have won many awards, yet they make very little margin from all that. He told me they make an overwhelming amount of money off of the tasting room attached to their physical brewery because the beer itself is effectively water in terms of cost so they make profit by not having to pay any middle me…

> It would be more accurate to ask: “How the F can anyone make any money when Starbucks is on every other street corner and has the advantages of scale they have.” Source and roast your own beans, don't overroast the beans, charge a premium over Starbucks for not producing crap coffee from overroasted beans. Starbucks does some impressive work with the candy flavors it adds to distract from their coffee, but...

This is a thinly disguised rant of your tastes vs. Starbucks as opposed to any kind of actual answer. And kind of hipster pretentious douchey to those that may like it. Try again?
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