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Apple CEO Tim Cook Calling for Bloomberg to Retract Its Chinese Spy Chip Story

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Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook Calling for Bloomberg to Retract Its Chinese Spy Chip Story

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Here's what I expect them to do. Show me a real picture of the chip. Show me some samples of the malicious traffic. Show me some code that they found, tell us which server models they found the affected hardware in. Somebody should have SOME shred of information on this, but there is none. You don't just sell thousands of servers, and not have a few of them that end up getting shipped to someone else, or have a few t…

Because it's easier to share words than steal hardware that may be classified due to it's security implications. Which is easier? Telling me what you saw in someone else's safe, or giving me it's contents?

Probably sharing a pic of the contents would suffice.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook Calling for Bloomberg to Retract Its Chinese Spy Chip Story

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Shades of Operation Mockingbird (1953), and "The CIA and the Media". http://www.carlbernstein.com/magazine_cia_and_media.php Of course, whether the story is true or not matters, but at least as important is who Bloomberg's source is - as that goes to motive for releasing this information (true or false). And it isn't just Bloomberg who will be asking these kinds of questions.

Well, Bush did say this ended in 1976 [1] "In February 1976, George H. W. Bush, the recently appointed Director of the CIA, announced a new policy: 'Effective immediately, the CIA will not enter into any paid or contract relationship with any full-time or part-time news correspondent accredited by any U.S. news service, newspaper, periodical, radio or television network or station.'{13} He added that the CIA would continue to 'welcome' the voluntary, unpaid cooperation of journalists."

So there you go. Proof positive.

+ 1 On Mockingbird btw, I was reading the comments before I posted it myself.

[1]https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1m...

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook Calling for Bloomberg to Retract Its Chinese Spy Chip Story

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Is it precedented for a news organization to double down like this in the case where a reporter just makes stuff up Stephen Glass style? Because barring a Stephen Glass scenario, what's fascinating here is that no matter which side is right, this is evidence of some sort of mysterious power play. Either Apple was hacked, they know, and are denying, which is evidence of them being under the thumb of U.S. national secu…

Or they have NSL letter in progress and Cook was forced to ask them for denial, since we throw so many different scenarios without evidence.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook Calling for Bloomberg to Retract Its Chinese Spy Chip Story

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post #61

And Bloomberg is standing by the story. All of the people who think that Apple is being misled coerced by the government into denying factual reports, I want to know how that belief is squared with the _lack_ of a retraction. If the government is powerful enough to get Apple to go to these lengths in defense of a falsehood, why can't they convince Bloomberg to retract?

At this point I don't think Apple is lying or the Bloomberg story is accurate, but I do think that some hypothetical coercion of Apple would be much much much less problematic than the government literally forcing a press organization to publish false information.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook Calling for Bloomberg to Retract Its Chinese Spy Chip Story

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post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tim Cook would have to know. If there is something like a NSL involved, Apple's legal team would have already reviewed it. That same legal team would also be advising Cook on what he publicly says since he is an officer in the company. He could lose his job or be fined for saying false information in the press (think about what happened to Musk) so its in his and his legal team's best interest to only say true things…

Just for clarity, there are some cases where the CEO is in fact left out of the loop specifically so they aren't in jeopardy of lying to shareholders. But typically it is the chief counsel who is informed in these scenarios. It is significant the Apple statements have been clear to rule out that possibility.

Apple has a new chief counsel. Hmm the plot thickens

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook Calling for Bloomberg to Retract Its Chinese Spy Chip Story

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just for clarity, there are some cases where the CEO is in fact left out of the loop specifically so they aren't in jeopardy of lying to shareholders. But typically it is the chief counsel who is informed in these scenarios. It is significant the Apple statements have been clear to rule out that possibility.

Apple has a new chief counsel. Hmm the plot thickens

Old one was in place at the time of these alleged events and has publicly denied it as well.[1]

[1] https://www.macrumors.com/2018/10/05/sewell-says-fbi-never-h...

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook Calling for Bloomberg to Retract Its Chinese Spy Chip Story

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In the past, Apple has lied about a severe security incident involving Super Micro hardware. In 2016 Super Micro Senior Vice President of Technology himself said Apple found "infected firmware." It was so bad that Apple "discontinued future business [with Super Micro] as a result of a compromised internal development environment". Strangely Apple at the time was denying the whole thing: https://appleinsider.com/artic…

What they denied was that the servers were used in production. They also said they didn't find the firmware on the server as shipped from Supermicro, it was downloaded from their website [1]. >Update: A source familiar with the case at Apple told Ars that the compromised firmware affected servers in Apple's design lab, and not active Siri servers. The firmware, according to the source, was downloaded directly from Su…

«Christopher Wray, in a congressional hearing, said "be careful what you read"»

Like philwelch mentioned, the FBI has a policy of never publicly commenting on ongoing investigations. Wray's statement—extremely vague and neither confirming nor denying the story—thus implies there is an ongoing investigation... Hmm.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook Calling for Bloomberg to Retract Its Chinese Spy Chip Story

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The interesting thing about this story is that everyone is hopping up and down trying to figure out if it's true, but the one thing everybody agrees with is that the attack is practical. Whether it happened in this specific case or not, what are we doing to prevent it from happening in general?

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook Calling for Bloomberg to Retract Its Chinese Spy Chip Story

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I think Bloomberg was probably irresponsible to publish the Chinese spy chip story, whether it was true or false! Here's why: * If the story is false , it's irresponsible because it causes severe monetary and reputational damage to companies that do not deserve it (e.g. Supermicro's stock is still down ~ 40% ). * If the story is true , it's a MAJOR breach of classified information from US intelligence operations; ope…

> If the story is true, it's a MAJOR breach of classified information from US intelligence operations; operations which I assume (without evidence to the contrary) are operating in good faith -- in the interest of the US and its citizens. Breaching classified information of such ongoing investigations to trace supply chains of spy chips could very well compromise those investigations (which would be irresponsible to…

That's a really great point! That's a good third option I didn't really properly consider: Perhaps this is the intended means of propagating this information into actions across the industry, in which case Bloomberg definitely did nothing wrong here.
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