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Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by oblio »

ch_123 wrote: post #48
Shywim wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In short: X.org is a decade old display server that became the standard to display graphical window on the majority of Linux distribution. GNOME, KDE, XFCE and others are/were client to this display server. Wayland is a new protocol where the window manager (ie GNOME, KDE,...) is responsible of directly managing the display. Each window manager must reimplement this protocol (or use a library already doing this work)…

It is perhaps worth noting that while X.org is about a decade old, it is an implementation of the X Window System protocol which dates back to the mid 80s. Suffice to say, quite a lot has changed in computer graphics/interfaces since that time, and most modern *nix operating systems end up circumventing quite a lot of X to offer modern features. Thus X brings quite a lot of legacy debt to the table which can't be eas…

Also, even back in the day, X wasn't considered the best tech around, at least by some. For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeWS was around.

However NeWS' licensing was proprietary and X won out.

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by oblio »

sunseb wrote: post #6
KeitIG wrote: post #2

As always, kudos to Canonical to deliver one of the most mature distribution. But. 2018. And still no fractional scaling. This drives me mad. (changing the text scaling is not a solution). Ok, there was Mir, Wayland is late (again)... how can this problem not be solved in 10 years? (genuine question)

Maybe it's because when you set fractional scaling you lose pixel perfect design (icons, images, and so). https://icons8.com/articles/make-pixel-perfect-icons/

I find this as a failing, at least partially, of desktop monitors. Once the DPS is high enough you kind of stop caring about individual pixels. However most laptops and desktops out in the wild have screens which are 1080p at best. Nota bene: I'm talking globally, developed countries are doing better int his regard.

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by knocte »

kjullien wrote: post #33
knocte wrote: post #20

Two quick questions for anyone that has already tested it: - Does it include a dark theme by default, or not yet? :-/ - Can you install flatpak with `apt-get` or do you need to install some apt sources first?

You can install any theme you want... This is linux, not macos. The point is for you to customize to your liking. Same for flatpack, I don't see why you expect it to be bundled over snaps (which is included if I recall) or appimages...

> You can install any theme you want... This is linux, not macos. The point is for you to customize to your liking.

Not that easy without security risks. See: https://askubuntu.com/questions/854253/how-to-install-a-cust...

That's why I ask if it has been included by default, in the preferences menu or wherever the theme preferences are.

> Same for flatpack, I don't see why you expect it to be bundled over snaps

I didn't ask if it's bundled. I asked if it's in the default repos to install it remotely (opt-in) without changing the repos configuration.

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by knocte »

marenkay wrote: post #42
knocte wrote: post #20

Two quick questions for anyone that has already tested it: - Does it include a dark theme by default, or not yet? :-/ - Can you install flatpak with `apt-get` or do you need to install some apt sources first?

`apt install flatpak` totally works. Why wouldn't it?

Cool thanks. I had a conversation with a debian developer recently and by what he said, I (mis)understood that Ubuntu was not including flatpak by default. Maybe he meant installing it (opt-out).

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by bakhy »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #14
brendaningram wrote: post #9

Unfortunately, I think Canonical has lost their focus on the desktop user. Every version of Ubuntu since 16.04 has had major issues for me. I have given every one of them a chance to redeem themselves, right up to today trying 18.10. Still no dice... For me, as boring as it sounds, Debian 9 (Stretch) with XFCE is rock solid as a daily driver. I'm not some fuddy duddy doing nothing but text editing either. I code ever…

I havent had issues with Kubuntu honestly, but that's for my needs. The only thing that's gotten awful is the Nvidia driver I'm being offered up breaks my distro. I am never buying Nvidia after all the issues with them, I'm hoping AMD can push forward superrior graphics drivers for Linux, but I have had more issues with Nvidia on any OS I use (including Windows) than I ever had with AMD / ATI (only with Linux, or ove…

Did you check if the "nouveau" OSS Nvidia driver was still installed? Happened to me all the time, so I got used to always checking and removing it manually before letting him reboot.

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by oblio »

pjmlp wrote: post #22
brendaningram wrote: post #9

Unfortunately, I think Canonical has lost their focus on the desktop user. Every version of Ubuntu since 16.04 has had major issues for me. I have given every one of them a chance to redeem themselves, right up to today trying 18.10. Still no dice... For me, as boring as it sounds, Debian 9 (Stretch) with XFCE is rock solid as a daily driver. I'm not some fuddy duddy doing nothing but text editing either. I code ever…

They just have decided like Red-Hat did before them, that there is no money to be made on the Linux desktops and they better focus on IoT and server as long term survival plan. There was a blog post about it. Yet they still have one of the best laptop support.

> They just have decided like Red-Hat did before them, that there is no money to be made on the Linux desktops

And can you blame them?

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by userbinator »

marenkay wrote: post #40
hannasanarion wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean the fact that Dropbox only supports unencrypted ext4 now? No, that is Dropbox's new intentional behavior, they have no plans to resume sync support for linux.

Couldn't you just fake it in a container pretending it was ext4? Apart from the real question: why Dropbox when you can rsync and others.

Couldn't you just fake it in a container pretending it was ext4?

Creating a workaround for Dropbox doesn't sound like a problem Canonical itself should work on.

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by dmytrish »

drb91 wrote: post #28
sunseb wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe it's because when you set fractional scaling you lose pixel perfect design (icons, images, and so). https://icons8.com/articles/make-pixel-perfect-icons/

Who on earth would prefer that to proper scaling?

I use KDE with x1.3 scaling and it mostly works, but e.g. VirtualBox is unusable with scaling, pdf fonts in Okular look torn, some pixel maps scale poorly giving artefacts.

Still, I don't have better options: 13" FullHD doesn't play well with 2x scaling (and even 1.5x would usable, but too big for my taste).

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by [deleted] »

sunseb wrote: post #29
quantummkv wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole point of svg and (vector graphics) is that you can scale them to whatever you want.

If you do fractional scaling on a svg image, pixels will not align to the pixel grid and the image will look blury. You won't notice that on big svg images, but tiny ui icons will definitely look blurry. There was even a (never implemented) proposal to allow svg files to handle this problem. https://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/Proposals/SVG_hintin... That's why svg icons are often designed using a 24x24 pixel gri…

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Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by hocuspocus »

knocte wrote: post #53
kjullien wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can install any theme you want... This is linux, not macos. The point is for you to customize to your liking. Same for flatpack, I don't see why you expect it to be bundled over snaps (which is included if I recall) or appimages...

> You can install any theme you want... This is linux, not macos. The point is for you to customize to your liking. Not that easy without security risks. See: https://askubuntu.com/questions/854253/how-to-install-a-cust... That's why I ask if it has been included by default, in the preferences menu or wherever the theme preferences are. > Same for flatpack, I don't see why you expect it to be bundled over snaps I did…

You can install ubuntu-budgie-themes, they come with Pocillo, including a dark variant.
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