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The Bookish Life: How to Read and Why

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Re: The Bookish Life: How to Read and Why

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> How can one know if a book is ­interesting until one has read it; memorable until time has or has not lodged it in one’s memory; rereadable until the decades pass and one feels the need to read it again and enjoys it all the more on doing so? Well, 'interesting' is an opinion that an individual forms after having experienced something. In other words, there is no way for someone to not ever read an 'uninteresting'…

“If an interesting book exists but there is no one to read it, is it interesting at all?”

Re: The Bookish Life: How to Read and Why

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Western education drills into us the mantra that reading books is virtuous. It certainly is something that children need to learn how to do, like eating and sleeping. But like eating and sleeping there are limits to the benefit you will get from reading books, and I don’t think this is widely recognised. The prevailing opinion still seems to be that reading is unreservedly Good For You.

Why do I say that? Because reading is ultimately a form of consumption. The quality and quantity of that reading matters, just like it does for eating and sleeping. Someone who spends all day reading isn’t necessarily in any better position than someone who spends all day playing video games.

Don’t get me wrong, I do love and recommend reading books - but the right amount of the right stuff.

Re: The Bookish Life: How to Read and Why

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I think the premise that you can’t obtain a list to be cultivated is extremely wrong.

That’s exactly what happens in a danish gymnasium, where the content is meant to enlighten as much as educate, and the difference between choosing the “regular” humanism route takes you so much further than one of the technical routes.

I know because I took the technical route and I married into a family who took the humanities. I’ve spent years catching up on philosophy, art, history, psychology and culturally important fiction, and I’m still not really part of the cultivated conversation when they really go at it.

I don’t mind, they can’t talk math or engineering or even business management, but they’re all very similar because they followed a list.

I’ve often wondered why there aren’t any easily available lists on the internet, because it’s really just the works you’d go through in your four-five year path, that’s shared among all humanities.

Obviously there is a difference between reading platon on your own and reading it in a curated environment where you can discuss its meaning with your teacher and your peers, but don’t tell me those teachers couldn’t compile you a list.

I think the real issue is that we killed blogs. A route to cultivation isn’t going to pop-up in a Facebook discussion, and if it is, then it won’t be searchable. And teachers or members of the humanities in general, seem to be much less likely to have an online jourbal which covers their professional life than people in tech. I read a news paper with a books section, and you’ll see this exact issue covered often in regards to new works, but those articles are only available on print or in an online archive you have to pay to access or even search in.

So the lists are absolutely there, we just can’t access them outside of our educational system or closed discussions had by the people who wouldn’t need the list.

Re: The Bookish Life: How to Read and Why

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I think the premise that you can’t obtain a list to be cultivated is extremely wrong. That’s exactly what happens in a danish gymnasium, where the content is meant to enlighten as much as educate, and the difference between choosing the “regular” humanism route takes you so much further than one of the technical routes. I know because I took the technical route and I married into a family who took the humanities. I’v…

If you were to create a list based on your readings, I'd be very interested in having a copy.

Re: The Bookish Life: How to Read and Why

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I think the premise that you can’t obtain a list to be cultivated is extremely wrong. That’s exactly what happens in a danish gymnasium, where the content is meant to enlighten as much as educate, and the difference between choosing the “regular” humanism route takes you so much further than one of the technical routes. I know because I took the technical route and I married into a family who took the humanities. I’v…

If you were to create a list based on your readings, I'd be very interested in having a copy.

With my rant, maybe I should, though the majority of it would be Danish works as I’m Danish.

Until that I can recommend Bill Gates lists, it’s a really great resource for modern international works. Some of the recommendations in gates notes are very humanitarian, but others, like Sapiens, have made it into the book shelf of most cultivated people I know and I only read it because it was recommended in gates notes.

Re: The Bookish Life: How to Read and Why

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I think the premise that you can’t obtain a list to be cultivated is extremely wrong. That’s exactly what happens in a danish gymnasium, where the content is meant to enlighten as much as educate, and the difference between choosing the “regular” humanism route takes you so much further than one of the technical routes. I know because I took the technical route and I married into a family who took the humanities. I’v…

Adler and Hutchings published such a book in the 1930's. As for the humanities that style of education is distinctly old fashioned. Even my alma mater of Chicago is falling away from the tradition, and Shriner and St. John's might be the only places still reading the Great Works. Instead we have more vocationalism and less humanism.

Re: The Bookish Life: How to Read and Why

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you were to create a list based on your readings, I'd be very interested in having a copy.

With my rant, maybe I should, though the majority of it would be Danish works as I’m Danish. Until that I can recommend Bill Gates lists, it’s a really great resource for modern international works. Some of the recommendations in gates notes are very humanitarian, but others, like Sapiens, have made it into the book shelf of most cultivated people I know and I only read it because it was recommended in gates notes.

I'm not a big reader but I've read a fair few books I saw on Gates Notes and they've all been right up my street ("Sapiens" included). Great recommendation.

Re: The Bookish Life: How to Read and Why

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Similar thoughts here. Furthermore, the author's writing style is annoyingly old fashioned and unnecessarily long. >Like the man—the fellow with the name Solomon, writing under the pen name Ecclesiastes—said, “Of the making of many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh Why not just "Solomon, writing under the pen name 'Ecclesiastes', said..."? > I recall some years ago a politician whose n…

There always seems to be someone on HN willing to bemoan any prose style that aspires above the perfect perfunctoriness of API documentation.

Come on, this is not Joycean or Faulknerian stuff.

Re: The Bookish Life: How to Read and Why

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As I read this piece I was able to predict the direction it would go and the evidence that would be presented for each opinion. By the end I had been neither surprised nor enlightened by anything presented in it. The author likes old books, dislikes digital reading devices and audiobooks, dislikes most things written since his own birth unless they were written about the western canon or by people trained entirely in…

I don't know how restricting yourself to the western canon makes you small minded. The western canon is, of course, huge and enormously varied.

In any case, I didn't get the impression he was restricting himself. He describes going into book shops picking up any book he happened to light upon. My feeling was that he had decided not to beat himself up if these books did not encompass everything in the entire world. After all, isn't that the central premise - life is short?

Your alternative subtitle is unnecessarily mean-spirited. I don't believe he was claiming to be in any way remarkable, in the end he was simply describing how he loves books.

Re: The Bookish Life: How to Read and Why

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post #32

Western education drills into us the mantra that reading books is virtuous. It certainly is something that children need to learn how to do, like eating and sleeping. But like eating and sleeping there are limits to the benefit you will get from reading books, and I don’t think this is widely recognised. The prevailing opinion still seems to be that reading is unreservedly Good For You. Why do I say that? Because rea…

"Nietzsche said that life without music is a mistake. I would agree, adding that it is no less a mistake without books." Oh, how I agree. And also with you jl6. It is some kind of consumption and the quality of it matter, for sure and timing. Reading the "right" books for you age or understanding of the world.
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