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Why Apple Eventually Lost Me and I’m Switching Back to Windows

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Re: Why Apple Eventually Lost Me and I’m Switching Back to Windows

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Post by runaway »

actf wrote: post #67
veesahni wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> cygwin just doesn't cut it for me as a substitute for having a real UNIX underneath Windows 10 has WSL, which replaces cygwin. It's a wonderful compromise which lets me can execute unmodified ELF binaries on Windows 10. Realistically, this means I can install almost anything via apt, do bulk file management using scripts, use native linux rsync binaries for backups, etc.

WSL is a great idea and I think Microsoft is onto something super cool with WSL, but after a week of serious use I found that it was not a viable replacement for cygwin. The major problem with WSL right now is that you can't effectively edit files in both Windows and WSL. For me this was very limiting because I could not interact with a git repo via WSL and then also open the files from that repo with a Windows IDE.…

I don't know how long ago you used it but that's exactly what I'm doing right now. The files just have to be on the Windows file system. I edit with Visual Studio Code and use WSL (Ubuntu) to manage the repo.

Re: Why Apple Eventually Lost Me and I’m Switching Back to Windows

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Post by basch »

m_mueller wrote: post #16

I've done it since this summer, going from a 2012 rMBP to a near-maxed out Thinkpad 480s (1 TB SSD, 24GB RAM for USD 2300? hell yeah..). Let me tell you though that as a mac user going to windows 10 you give up much more than a bit of polish - it's really cutting into your productivity. Just one tiny (but anger inducing) example: You can have either Windows Defender or a hangup-free Windows Explorer, but not both (an…

>You can have either Windows Defender or a hangup-free Windows Explorer, but not both

replace defender with a faster alternative - https://www.bitdefender.com/solutions/free.html

Re: Why Apple Eventually Lost Me and I’m Switching Back to Windows

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Post by amnesiac_200 »

I like both types of PC I think apple decided performance was good enough at some point and judging by how well my wife's mac book air works with imovie they were right.. Meanwhile PCs carried on getting faster.. But only the expensive ones. Windows 10 is OK, it has a nice crash screen I see about once a week. Save work often. And enjoy the adds.

Re: Why Apple Eventually Lost Me and I’m Switching Back to Windows

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Post by gjvc »

velobro wrote: post #6

Just another run off the mill "I'm not getting another mac" complaint article. 1) Introduce myself by explaining how emotionally attached I was to the first Macs I bought 2) Complain about price 3) Complain about price some more 4) Did I mention price? 5) Windows has caught up to MacOS (which assumes Mac was ever ahead of Windows to begin with) 6) I'm an "x", and I do "y". I can do "y" just as well on Windows 7) Sinc…

I'm not getting another mac. (end of statement.)

Re: Why Apple Eventually Lost Me and I’m Switching Back to Windows

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Post by RichardCA »

anthonybsd wrote: post #30
jmuguy wrote: post #14

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It would be nice if these articles were written after a long time OSX user had actually used Windows 10 for a month or two.

I'm a long time OS X user. Macbook Pro as my work laptop and Windows 10 at home as a gaming/browsing desktop. Had Windows 8/7/Vista/XP/2000 as my home desktops prior to that, I actually dig building them. I don't get the drama. Yes, for vast majority of the users Windows 10 is pretty fungible for OS X. What do the majority of people do? That's right, launch the browser, maybe open Outlook. Would I use one for work gi…

The combination of Virtualbox and Vagrant is very powerful. It ends up being my daily driver for anything I require as far as Linux environments are concerned.

I have been told that the combination of Docker and Windows 10 / Hyper-V is mature enough to invest serious time and effort into learning it. But I haven't done this yet.

Re: Why Apple Eventually Lost Me and I’m Switching Back to Windows

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Post by eitland »

Nerdfest wrote: post #65
m_mueller wrote: post #44

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fear of driver issues. I've kept mental tabs on how many people (a) tell me that everything went smooth but on further inquiries admit that there were actually a number of issues, some of them unresolved (b) admit (and complain about) issues outright (c) actually have had everything going smooth For laptops I've yet to talk to someone in category (c).

I've been a Linux user for about 10 years. The only hardware I've had trouble with after setting up dozens of machines for myself and friends has been Wifi devices from RTLink. They were solvable, but requires an actual recompile of drivers after kernel updates. I've had a couple of experiences in the other direction though, including a Sony Viao laptop where neither the wired or wireless network worked after Window…

Same here:

For the last 10 years mainstream linux distros has been less hassle than hunting down Windows drivers, removing bundled bloatware etc.

Mac was awesome in this regard, but after I still struggled with alt-tab after 3 years I have up.

Re: Why Apple Eventually Lost Me and I’m Switching Back to Windows

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Post by mindcrash »

Add to the fact that Microsoft now has a hardware line which can keep up with Apple on design, but running circles around its product line regarding features/price.

Don't believe me? Go try a Surface Pro, Surface Book and/or Surface Studio. They'll blow your mind.

Re: Why Apple Eventually Lost Me and I’m Switching Back to Windows

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Post by cannonedhamster »

m_mueller wrote: post #44
dTal wrote: post #36

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If you're willing to put up with inconsistency and a time-wasting learning curve, value responsiveness, and have no attachment to Windows software (which seems likely if you're coming from a Mac) - why not Linux?

fear of driver issues. I've kept mental tabs on how many people (a) tell me that everything went smooth but on further inquiries admit that there were actually a number of issues, some of them unresolved (b) admit (and complain about) issues outright (c) actually have had everything going smooth For laptops I've yet to talk to someone in category (c).

Used a linux laptop for the last 2 years for work. It was built as a linux laptop and had driver support from the vendor. Zero issues running Ubuntu. Forced to move to Windows because I changed roles and need to make more powerpoints and docs and use Skype (which really doesn't work well under linux) but I also lost a lot of really great programs. Mostly I use WSL for real work now if I need to.

Re: Why Apple Eventually Lost Me and I’m Switching Back to Windows

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Post by actf »

runaway wrote: post #81
actf wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WSL is a great idea and I think Microsoft is onto something super cool with WSL, but after a week of serious use I found that it was not a viable replacement for cygwin. The major problem with WSL right now is that you can't effectively edit files in both Windows and WSL. For me this was very limiting because I could not interact with a git repo via WSL and then also open the files from that repo with a Windows IDE.…

I don't know how long ago you used it but that's exactly what I'm doing right now. The files just have to be on the Windows file system. I edit with Visual Studio Code and use WSL (Ubuntu) to manage the repo.

I would be curious to know more about how you are doing this. Maybe Microsoft fixed this since I last used WSL, but if they didn't then you may be sitting on a ticking time bomb, see: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2016/11/17/do-n...

Re: Why Apple Eventually Lost Me and I’m Switching Back to Windows

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Post by manicdee »

What’s driving me away from the Mac ecosystem:

Loss of iOS sync from iTunes with no replacement. I used to sync two phones and two iPads through iTunes in order to reduce bandwidth use (Australian internet sucks). I can now use Internet Sharing options, maybe, but I have to plug the iOS device in to the Mac rather than sync over WiFi while the device is charging on my nightstand.

Forcing me to use iCloud for iBooks sync, so my 12GB collections of books (E O Wilson’s life on Earth plus dozens of PDFs for things like programming, hardware manuals, standards documents, data sheets) filled the free drive and I get persistent nags about running out of space. Apple basically wants me to rent my library from them.

Removal of MagSafe from laptops. It has only saved my laptop a few dozen times over 8 years but it effectively saved me replacing the laptop a few dozen times.

Switch to USB-C with no USB-A port. Between removal of ports and removal of MagSafe, there is little incentive for me to upgrade from a 2010 11” MBA to the MacBook. The 13” MBA doesn’t fit in my camera bags. Copying 16GB of photos to USB disks over USB 2 is painful but at least I can do it without extra dongles.

iBooks randomly deleting books from my devices. Sure, I can redownload from iCloud or the Apple Bookstore, but only if I have internet connectivity (there’s a reason the books are on the iPad in the first place rather than using a web browser to read stuff).

The cost is not a barrier for me. Jony Ives’ fascination with thinness and lack of holes in the chassis is a barrier for me.

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