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Re: Saudi Backlash Threatens U.S. Startups

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Except the figure head of #metoo was found to be as guilty as the rest of them [1]. Every actor or celebrity screaming #metoo is a hypocrite who was happy for the status quo to be a culture of assault and degradation, until it became convenient for them to say otherwise. Then they passed it on the culture-at-large saying everyone has this problem, when it is vastly concentrated in Hollywood, which has lead to social…

There is no doubt that humans are shitty. Was that ever in question? The #metoo movement has brought forward, and into public discourse, a problem. Had this not been brought forward even Argento's indiscretions wouldn't be known. The things highlighted by the #metoo movement are impactful and important to the advancement of our society and civilization. These actions should not be considered "OKAY" and most people wh…

I believe the other two persons arguing with you here are simply saying that #metoo has a noble agenda but was quickly hijacked to push other people's agendas. Which is sadly a pretty classic scenario IMO.

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They chose Saudi blood money over public markets. Let them reap what they sow. Hopefully this serves as a lesson to the next generation of technology companies. I don't have sympathy for these companies not doing due diligence and taking money from despots.

Saudis can invest in public markets too.

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Or they could go public and avoid the problem entirely. Let's not pretend there aren't other alternatives. Public, Open markets are there for a reason. They cost more, but are more ethical.

> They cost more, but are more ethical. They aren't. If you go public, you have zero control of who owns your company. It's not more ethical - it just launders your ethical responsibility. There are plenty of people or organizations - who also happen to have a horrific ethical record - who can buy shares in a private company. And there's nothing you can do to stop that.

I'd argue in this case with Saudi money that zero control is better than blood money

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And Australia: https://edition.cnn.com/2018/08/20/australia/nauru-children-... Children have died in the detention center with government refusing them even medical care. A 16 year old died few months back waiting for his parents. No media or press is allowed on the island. To top it off one of their senator wanted "final solution" for their immigrants and this week the government voted for "it's ok to be White" beca…

And while we're making a list, we should also include another notable middle eastern state, that's a bit infamous for being an apartheid regime.

Do you mean Israel?

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I hope everyone who condemns the Saudis and those doing business w/them are doing the same with those doing so with China. China regularly disappears its citizens, and now openly is sending them by the hundreds of thousands to re-education camps. Xi and Prince Salman are two sides of the same coin and if you're comfortable with one and not the other, you're just virtue signaling. I'm just a IT guy at a business that…

> China regularly disappears its citizens The difference here is that SA killed a citizen of another country. I'm not arguing the morality of it, just pointing out the important difference.

US resident but Saudi citizen... But how it happened, in a consulate, dismembered while possibly being alive and with strong evidence and links to BdS is not easy to fix and forget. I am horrified when I think about it. I'm aware other countries do it too, it's just that this was done with so much impunity that disturbs me most.
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