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2018 UtahJS Pay, Education, Job-title Survey

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Re: 2018 UtahJS Pay, Education, Job-title Survey

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Salaries in Utah are a lot healthier than I expected. Maybe moving away from SF wouldn't be as big of a salary cut as I thought...

It sucks here. You'd hate it. Air quality can get bad in the salt lake valley.

(Please let me buy a house before you come wreck prices)

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Salaries in Utah are a lot healthier than I expected. Maybe moving away from SF wouldn't be as big of a salary cut as I thought...

It sucks here. You'd hate it. Air quality can get bad in the salt lake valley. (Please let me buy a house before you come wreck prices)

"You would hate it! They treat homeless people like human beings. It's an outrage!"

("I'm helping" -- quote from when my son did something stupid at age 5 that we still reference.)

Re: 2018 UtahJS Pay, Education, Job-title Survey

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An interesting data point is that the highest salary ($206,000) also reports as"self-taught".

More interesting is that the “self-taught” group as a whole has the highest average salary of all the education levels. That is one of the two big surprises for me in this survey. The other is the leadership roles having a narrower range and lower top end than dev positions.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm self-taught and that salary is within a couple $K of my own. Regarding your own experience though, I have noticed the inverse wherever I go. I moved from Charlotte (NC) two years ago, and there nearly everyone was self-taught and the skill level, generally, was much lower. The ones with degree educations were still stronger. When I got to SoCal, way more engineers were college-educated and still stronger than the…

I think it is hard to infer much from some of these data points. There may be some correlation between "high performance" and "self-taught", since it takes a decent amount of motivation and talent to even get your first few jobs as someone without the educational background, but I don't know how long that is significant for. I'm self-taught, and while it has worked out well for me so far, I do wish I'd gotten a CS de…

Agreed, it's kinda hard to qualify, particularly as a side-effect rather than the central focus. Most of this boils down to personality.

I also sometimes wish I had gotten my degree for similar reasons, and still do plan to, though perhaps not in CS. Definitely math, and maybe something else. That isn't to say I wasn't boosted in my own ways, unencumbered by not trying to design things to fit a preconceived model, and learning what was practically useful. "Inventing" those things yourself can give you more insight and appreciation for the way they are or should be built. Unfortunately it seems to come full circle, and eventually you need those models and that less-practical knowledge.

Re: 2018 UtahJS Pay, Education, Job-title Survey

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm self-taught and that salary is within a couple $K of my own. Regarding your own experience though, I have noticed the inverse wherever I go. I moved from Charlotte (NC) two years ago, and there nearly everyone was self-taught and the skill level, generally, was much lower. The ones with degree educations were still stronger. When I got to SoCal, way more engineers were college-educated and still stronger than the…

Yep, anecdotal evidence :) I will say, where I am now (bay area FANG company) it is WAY more common to have traditional CS background and also be a high performer. I attribute that to a biased selection in SV, and not an actual correlation of CS education to higher skill level.

Regarding the bias, I think it's the same way here, to be honest. My sample size for California (employer) is n = 1, and we do work that is both technically challenging and fun, so we attract and can only realistically take on those kinds of people.

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Are colleges and bootcamps the only options in the US? Don’t you have apprenticeships (with and without school at the same time), technical schools (with and without working at a company at the same time), etc? I lived in Switzerland and Germany and in both country apprenticeships and technical schools are a good way to learn a technical job and directly start to be part of the industry. Surprised to not see these kind of thing mentioned here.

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Are colleges and bootcamps the only options in the US? Don’t you have apprenticeships (with and without school at the same time), technical schools (with and without working at a company at the same time), etc? I lived in Switzerland and Germany and in both country apprenticeships and technical schools are a good way to learn a technical job and directly start to be part of the industry. Surprised to not see these ki…

Apprenticeships are rare, particularly in tech. Technical schools exist, but aren't known for teaching things other than more physical work, like electricians or mechanics. Bootcamps and "desperate companies hiring more junior than they'd like without a solid plan for onboarding and teaching" fill that void. It's kinda dumb.
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