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Finance makes Apple and Google forced friends

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Re: Finance makes Apple and Google forced friends

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Post by jimmy1 »

l3robot wrote: post #15

Disclaimer: I am not an historian nor a sociologist nor a political scientist. It is pure intuition, so please correct me if you find me wrong. This kind of article recalling the war declared between Apple and Google by strong characters (reaching almost royal admiration) like Steve Jobs and showing their alliance now forced by economical benefits, brings to my head an observation I make for some years now. It feels…

I don't know what to think either. Thinking about it at a higher level than this:

Some days I really think people don't know how to live under a democracy. There just always seems to be this segment of the population that want to be told what to think (and preferably told things are going well)

Some days I think liberty is the only way to live life, but that people mistake that liberty doesn't come at a cost. Most people don't have enough skin in the game to be willing to accept that cost. The original pilgrims, the founding fathers, and the lot did. There are attacks on our liberities that would have started revolutions (Patriot act being the most egregious example).

Don't know what to think anymore. Politics disgust me. I'm told I'm not even old enough to be this cynical.

Re: Finance makes Apple and Google forced friends

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Post by ethbro »

l3robot wrote: post #15

Disclaimer: I am not an historian nor a sociologist nor a political scientist. It is pure intuition, so please correct me if you find me wrong. This kind of article recalling the war declared between Apple and Google by strong characters (reaching almost royal admiration) like Steve Jobs and showing their alliance now forced by economical benefits, brings to my head an observation I make for some years now. It feels…

At least in the West, I'd say democracy has generally been fairly stable... but the forces opposed to it have strengthened or weakened over time.

Anything which deconcentrates or destroys capital (rapid innovation, war) relatively strengthens democracy.

An age of peace, and lack of political will to prevent innovation-capture by current monopolies, results in democracy weakening relative to commercial interests.

Re: Finance makes Apple and Google forced friends

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Post by lern_too_spel »

endorphone wrote: post #4
rock_hard wrote: post #2

Apple cares about privacy so much, they let Google do the dirty part of the business and just take the checks.

Ignoring that you can change the search engine, what Google knows about a user using Google search on an iPhone, and a user using search on a Google Play Android device are extraordinarily different. Let's not pretend at some false equivalency here.

No, they are exactly the same. Despite what Apple marketing would like you to believe, the search app collects the same information when you perform the same actions on both devices.

Re: Finance makes Apple and Google forced friends

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Post by ethbro »

jimmy1 wrote: post #21
l3robot wrote: post #15

Disclaimer: I am not an historian nor a sociologist nor a political scientist. It is pure intuition, so please correct me if you find me wrong. This kind of article recalling the war declared between Apple and Google by strong characters (reaching almost royal admiration) like Steve Jobs and showing their alliance now forced by economical benefits, brings to my head an observation I make for some years now. It feels…

I don't know what to think either. Thinking about it at a higher level than this: Some days I really think people don't know how to live under a democracy. There just always seems to be this segment of the population that want to be told what to think (and preferably told things are going well) Some days I think liberty is the only way to live life, but that people mistake that liberty doesn't come at a cost. Most pe…

Politics in a democracy has always disgusted everyone.

Per Churchill, "No one pre­tends that democ­ra­cy is per­fect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democ­ra­cy is the worst form of Gov­ern­ment except for all those oth­er forms that have been tried from time to time..."

Re: Finance makes Apple and Google forced friends

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Post by beamatronic »

l3robot wrote: post #15

Disclaimer: I am not an historian nor a sociologist nor a political scientist. It is pure intuition, so please correct me if you find me wrong. This kind of article recalling the war declared between Apple and Google by strong characters (reaching almost royal admiration) like Steve Jobs and showing their alliance now forced by economical benefits, brings to my head an observation I make for some years now. It feels…

If you are planning to leave your burbclave, it helps to belong to a synthetic phyle, or to be a citizen of Mr. Lee’s Greater Hong Kong.

Re: Finance makes Apple and Google forced friends

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Post by OvermindDL1 »

ethbro wrote: post #22
l3robot wrote: post #15

Disclaimer: I am not an historian nor a sociologist nor a political scientist. It is pure intuition, so please correct me if you find me wrong. This kind of article recalling the war declared between Apple and Google by strong characters (reaching almost royal admiration) like Steve Jobs and showing their alliance now forced by economical benefits, brings to my head an observation I make for some years now. It feels…

At least in the West, I'd say democracy has generally been fairly stable... but the forces opposed to it have strengthened or weakened over time. Anything which deconcentrates or destroys capital (rapid innovation, war) relatively strengthens democracy. An age of peace, and lack of political will to prevent innovation-capture by current monopolies, results in democracy weakening relative to commercial interests.

Not in the United States it's not at least. Even just the recent net neutrality pubic votes don't match what was done in the slightest. The USA is an oligarchy through and through.

Re: Finance makes Apple and Google forced friends

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Post by toxik »

innagadadavida wrote: post #5
rock_hard wrote: post #2

Apple cares about privacy so much, they let Google do the dirty part of the business and just take the checks.

Google search seems to be deteorating but it is still the best one out there. I tried to switch to DDG and found myself using the !g trick to get google result way too often.

For me it's perfect: you get a three-character penalty to remind you that you're sacrificing your privacy for convenience. Up-front cost. I do the same with social apps on my phone, I put them far off right on the dashboard, in a folder. That way, it's a little bit annoying. Just a little.

Re: Finance makes Apple and Google forced friends

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Post by Aloha »

mtgx wrote: post #9
Aloha wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The user in the end chooses to use google however.

Default presets are not the user "choosing" something. It's why companies always choose the opt-out method vs opt-in.

Choosing to not change a setting is still a choice.

Re: Finance makes Apple and Google forced friends

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Post by SteveGregory »

I've wondered what would happen if Apple acquired DuckDuckGo.

In theory, Apple could overpay a lot and still make a ridiculous return by using it as their default search engine. The usage would multiply overnight.

It would also reinforce Apple's position on privacy, and make Apple less dependent on Google for revenue.

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