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Why Apple Eventually Lost Me and I’m Switching Back to Windows

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Windows 10 on the same hardware as Mac OS X is a revelation. Windows 10 on a Core 2 Duo system is really speedy but Mac OS is very sluggish. In particular, OS X on 2GB is almost grinds to a halt but Win 10 flies. Mac OS X seems to require 2-4x the memory for the same application. E.g. running Firefox.

Re: Why Apple Eventually Lost Me and I’m Switching Back to Windows

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post #12

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Yep, complaining about Apple is so trendy these days.

Isn't that telling in some ways though? Apple has made some wrong steps lately, in some people's eyes. Will there eventually be enough people changing to make Apple get concerned? We'll have to wait and see.

I'd argue that they're no different in all honesty. It's taken them a while, but the likes of Lenovo and Dell have upped their game, so what were once niggles with Apple's offereings appear worse. I've been an Apple user for close to 30 years and the issues we're seeing are nothing in comparison to the Performa days.

As for removing and changing ports etc., they've always done it. Long may it continue as it more often than not forces industry changes for the better.

Re: Why Apple Eventually Lost Me and I’m Switching Back to Windows

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I've never been a Windows user.

I mean I've used windows at work for close to 2 decades, and i still hate it every bit as much as the first time i started up Windows 3.1.

I've been using all sorts of operating systems, from OS/2 in the 90s, to BeOS 4 and 5 (on x86), and Linux (Gnome).

Finally i make the switch to Mac around 2005. I've been a Unix user since 1991 (First Linux was Yggdrasil Plug & Play Linux Fall '93). I wanted the beautiful and functional desktop experience of OS X, coupled with the Unix subsystem.

Later on i noticed that Mac applications (official and 3rd party) usually have a much more "finished" feeling to them. Even shareware (is that even a thing anymore ?) felt much more complete on OS X. Linux applications had the technical groundwork in place, but as soon as it became graphical, things started to fall apart.

And here we are, 13 years later, and i'm thinking about buying a ThinkPad instead as a replacement for my MacBook Pro 13" Retina. My wife recently got one from work, and I'd forgotten how great a decent keyboard is to type on. It's been a few years since i last had that on any laptop. Apple appears to be stuck in a loop where everything must become slimmer, functionality be damned.

On the software side OS X is still king. I know evil voices say that eventually OS X will devolve into a an advanced iOS clone, but for now it's very functional, and miles ahead of Gnome on Linux.

As for Windows 10... I'll pass. An operating system that pushes out "free" apps along with reporting everything back to Microsoft, and by default shares my WLAN password with "friends of friends", allowing me to opt out by renaming my WLAN. Whoever thought that was a great idea ?

Re: Why Apple Eventually Lost Me and I’m Switching Back to Windows

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If you're willing to put up with inconsistency and a time-wasting learning curve, value responsiveness, and have no attachment to Windows software (which seems likely if you're coming from a Mac) - why not Linux?

fear of driver issues. I've kept mental tabs on how many people (a) tell me that everything went smooth but on further inquiries admit that there were actually a number of issues, some of them unresolved (b) admit (and complain about) issues outright (c) actually have had everything going smooth For laptops I've yet to talk to someone in category (c).

you mean category c) in linux? Hello? but yeah full disclosure, i also had many problems with linux. Sometimes as bad as you shut down your computer at the end of the day and next day find out it wont boot because some thing you though was totally unrelated to anything... But as there is learning curve, there is also beating it. In my current workplace i choose to use linux ubuntu without help from our on-site IT over windows10 machine with IT help.. if you know what you are doing and have few years under your belt it might become preference over mac or windows. Yet to encounter any problems here, on workplace but everyday i hear people complaining about their windows machines. I also have VR setup with W10 at home, it's just a VR / game machine so no tinkering or developing but it's also problem free. No idea about macOS

Re: Why Apple Eventually Lost Me and I’m Switching Back to Windows

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Just another run off the mill "I'm not getting another mac" complaint article. 1) Introduce myself by explaining how emotionally attached I was to the first Macs I bought 2) Complain about price 3) Complain about price some more 4) Did I mention price? 5) Windows has caught up to MacOS (which assumes Mac was ever ahead of Windows to begin with) 6) I'm an "x", and I do "y". I can do "y" just as well on Windows 7) Sinc…

Concerning the price I don't think it is a strong argument. I have never been a mac user, but I have friends who had quite old macs that were still performant enough after 8 years for running recent software. They paid more, but it lasted more. Also for me spending time on a computer _is_ my job, so I don't mind spending some money on this for having good and professional material. I just bought a Dell Precision 5520…

>but I have friends who had quite old macs that were still performant enough after 8 years for running recent software. They paid more, but it lasted more.

The article is about building a desktop, I do not see how building a desktop with latest components and maybe getting double RAM and HDD with the same money you pay for a Mac will last less then the Mac.

Sure buying the cheapest laptop will last less then buying an expensive laptop.

Re: Why Apple Eventually Lost Me and I’m Switching Back to Windows

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As far as price, I was looking into getting a 5K iMac in a year specifically because of the price. It doesn’t seem like anyone sells a 5K monitor anymore except for LG and those go for $1300. $2300 for a decently equipped iMac 5K (16GB of RAM, 256GB SSD) is not bad.

I don't get this line of logic (if you want to get a comparable Linux/windows laptop with retinia/5k display, it will cost you just as much as a Mac, so macs are pretty reasonably priced) when justifying Mac purchases. why are you so dead set on getting a 5k display when you can get a comparable 4k display for $600? is the 25% increase in pixel density really that important?

Re: Why Apple Eventually Lost Me and I’m Switching Back to Windows

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're willing to put up with inconsistency and a time-wasting learning curve, value responsiveness, and have no attachment to Windows software (which seems likely if you're coming from a Mac) - why not Linux?

fear of driver issues. I've kept mental tabs on how many people (a) tell me that everything went smooth but on further inquiries admit that there were actually a number of issues, some of them unresolved (b) admit (and complain about) issues outright (c) actually have had everything going smooth For laptops I've yet to talk to someone in category (c).

Ubuntu says the T480s is fully supported, at least with the configuration in this link: https://certification.ubuntu.com/hardware/201801-26058/

I haven't tried it myself (for lack of a T480s), I use Linux on Thinkpads for more than a decade, though.

Re: Why Apple Eventually Lost Me and I’m Switching Back to Windows

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Personal opinion. I've never used MACs before and just two months ago I've been given a brand new 2018 MACBook pro to do work on. Long story short, after giving time to work out differences to Windows and XCFE, I still don't understand what people see in them other than looks:

- It crashed Virtualbox while a 200GB VM copied files close to max capacity (10 GB free on host). No RAM problems there

- It stuttered the Settings window for close to 10 seconds while doing some sound configs

- It does not like and does not show some "nonameish" USB2 flash drives

- (My) Safari does not like me setting home page other than apple.com

- The keyboard is crazy flat. I don't feel it at all, and can't touch type on it. There is no HOME or END buttons for command line editing. I've attached a UNICOMP for a change

- Apple doesn't like non-LLVM compilers and I'm stuck with what homebrew provides.

- Virtualbox with Linux has unusable mouse/keyboard after installing the drivers. Ubuntu 14 is the only one that works as it should.

- It has only four USB-C and I have a bunch of converters to connect stuff like headphones, keyboard, mouse and eth adapter. Yes, they take up table space.

- It is above Windows 10 in terms of interface, and looks nice and pleasant to touch (except keyboard)

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