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Ask HN: Over 60 = no engineering jobs?

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Re: Ask HN: Over 60 = no engineering jobs?

#201

I feel like Google / Amazon / IBM / any of the larger companies would love to have you on board. Maybe look bigger instead of going for start-ups which are often run by children. Anymore people like hiring young inexperienced devs they can abuse and pay poorly. And then they wonder why we have to take months and months to pay off technical debt... Hiring managers and inexperienced management think anybody can learn t…

IBM has been sued for mass lay offs of workers over 40 in pursuit of making their workforce younger, i wouldn't put to much faith in them hiring anyone older.

https://www.reuters.com/article/employment-ibm/ibm-laid-off-...

Re: Ask HN: Over 60 = no engineering jobs?

#202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they mean 'two ways of presenting yourself', or 'two different base resumes to customize for each role'.

Not the GP, but I think they meant - "go beyond two, and create one for each occasion " (i.e., many more than 2). I agree wholeheartedly with that approach. You're more likely to be successful if you tailor your story and experience to each opportunity, particularly if you have 20+ years of experience. Specifically, OP mention about applying to a "Senior engineer" and "VP of engineering". Depending on the size of the…

Right, but those resumes should fall into two distinct clusters.

Re: Ask HN: Over 60 = no engineering jobs?

#203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've screened thousands of resumes and I've never searched for gaps in employment. Some companies may do this but I haven't witnessed it. The things I search for all things obviously within a person's control: consistent formatting, sane file format & filename, and flawless grammar.

I want to see if someone had five jobs over the last five years. Clear sign of a shit developer.

How so? As a feelancer, I enjoy coming for a specific task rather than getting allocated to a "pool" of developers, though I also get offers from big customers to join into another project after completing one. If I only consider long-term projects from banks etc. my skill set would be much smaller. When working for start-ups, you often have dedicated budgets for a particular customer project of theirs or other time limitations, but the scope of your work can be much broader.

Edit: also want to point out that if you only have worked in greenfield projects where you could grow with the particular tools and practices of that project, you don't know anything about writing maintainable code

Re: Ask HN: Over 60 = no engineering jobs?

#204

I want to say that people might feel intimidated by your resume. Maybe try excluding all but the most relevant degree and heavily tailoring the rest.

I have run into this in the past. Usually a Technical Lead or Director of Engineering is grumpy, gives me a very perfunctory 5-minute interview, has clearly already made up their mind. It was just a waste of time for me and their company.

Yeah, I interviewed someone over 60 a few months ago and myself and the other engineers who interviewed were all intimidated. It was fine once we were in the interview room but reading the resume scared everyone a little.

Re: Ask HN: Over 60 = no engineering jobs?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You need dates on jobs because they want to identify gaps in employment. The only exception would be if you are a contractor and all of the engagements were under your company. You would list the start and end of your consulting practice in that case.

I've screened thousands of resumes and I've never searched for gaps in employment. Some companies may do this but I haven't witnessed it. The things I search for all things obviously within a person's control: consistent formatting, sane file format & filename, and flawless grammar.

I have a 3 year gap on my resume and every job I've gone for has asked about it. It's there because I was studying full time as an adult, and when I tell people that they usually laugh and say they were making sure it wasn't a stint in prison.

Re: Ask HN: Over 60 = no engineering jobs?

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One theory: The Bay Area has become seriously ageist. Many people have a hard time accepting working for someone a generation younger than them, and especially hiring a subordinate a generation older than them. The people reviewing your resume and interviewing you won't say it (they're not allowed to by law) but they'll definitely be thinking it, and it ends up being a huge waste of your time. I genuinely think it's…

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Re: Ask HN: Over 60 = no engineering jobs?

#207
> I've been applying for everything from senior engineer to VP of engineering. Ever since I turned 60 last year, I'm getting no hits on my resume.

For senior engineer, the sweet spot is around 10 years of experience ( like early 30s ). Too young or too old or too little experience or too much experience, you're resume is going in the trash can ( or more likely just filtered by software ).

Your degrees and ICPC champion are not important for a senior engineer position. Nobody really looks at it. Domain knowledge and experience with tools ( current ) is more important.

For VP, I suspect you have better shot getting a position through your network rather than sending resumes. Ask people you worked with if they are looking for a VP and then try that route.

Think of it from a prospective employer, why would they want to hire you when you are going to be hitting retirement age? I don't think you'll get much success by just sending resumes.

> If you were hiring, can you tell me why you might not even do a phone interview? I need to know what (mis)perceptions I apparently need to overcome.

Everywhere I've worked, we've never hired any developer in the 60s. To be honest, we've never hired anyone over 30 through resumes. The people we hired through resumes are college grads or devs in their 20s. The people who were over 30 either started in the company in their 20s or got the job through word of mouth. Don't underestimate how much a good reference from a current employee matters to a hire manager.

Also, the tech/engineering sector is going through a "cultural" or "diversity" change. The execs/HR are encouraging managers to take in younger, female and minority workers and of course promote them. There is a push for a less white ( or asian male ) workforce and a more diverse and representative workforce. So if you are an older white or asian male, you are really facing headwinds.

I think your best bet is to ask your friends and co-workers.

Re: Ask HN: Over 60 = no engineering jobs?

#208

Interested in moving to St. Louis? I'd like to talk to you.

OP. I'm originally from the midwest but we'd like to stay in California for now. I'll keep you in mind, though.

Well, there is your problem. This is the "why you might not even do a phone interview" issue. Off to the reject pile you go.

Put yourself in our shoes, and see how similar the frustration is: Why are you rejecting us? We hire people older than you, we have interesting work, the finances probably work out better... but you reject us.

If at some point you decide to evacuate California, we'll still be around: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17912861

Re: Ask HN: Over 60 = no engineering jobs?

#210
You need a H1-B , no pun, most manager s are so addicted working with H1 or contract ors they humanely don't have the caliber to work with regular folks. I am on a job as FTE, kept out of meetings and information emails for 17 months and accused of not impressing others. When I went around my Mgr, found out my Mgr had explicitly taken my name off the list of people to be informed. Probably you are fortunate not to be in a crazy job. Beauty in the eyes of a beholder... So someone not threatened by your knowledge will hire you.

Stay strong.

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