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Ask HN: Over 60 = no engineering jobs?

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Re: Ask HN: Over 60 = no engineering jobs?

#151

> 3 STEM undergraduate degrees I'm honestly just curious... how does that happen? Most people just stick with the one - did you do some career changing early on?

I started out in Math, realized I liked to build things, switched to EE, and took all the CS courses I could for fun. When I was done I had enough credits to get all three degrees.

Re: Ask HN: Over 60 = no engineering jobs?

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One theory: The Bay Area has become seriously ageist. Many people have a hard time accepting working for someone a generation younger than them, and especially hiring a subordinate a generation older than them. The people reviewing your resume and interviewing you won't say it (they're not allowed to by law) but they'll definitely be thinking it, and it ends up being a huge waste of your time. I genuinely think it's…

> won't say it (they're not allowed to by law) but they'll definitely be thinking it,

I'd argue you are giving them too much credit: they aren't thinking it, they are feeling it. All they are aware of is that you seem like a bad 'culture fit'.

I'd also argue it's not a locale thing. It's that companies 'struggling to stay relevant' are hungrier.

Re: Ask HN: Over 60 = no engineering jobs?

#154

I think a lot of startups are, frankly, ageist. They worry about "culture fit" from an older guy. There's a lot of twenty-something running around. They may also worry you don't want to put in the late nights and long hours they want due to perhaps family obligations, or that you may want more than they can afford to pay. If you're still on the market, we're hiring, and not ageist. I'm the CTO, 34.

They may also worry you don't want to put in the late nights and long hours they want due to perhaps family obligations Unless there's something broken, a system down, or a critical issue that needs to be fixed yesterday, I got news for you: I ain't staying late either. I'm 32 with a dog and a highly opinionated cat. Hire me, or don't. Plenty of other companies out there that respect work life balance and don't insis…

>Unless there's something broken, a system down, or a critical issue that needs to be fixed yesterday, I got news for you: I ain't staying late either.

This times 1000. The concept that any company "deserves" more than 8 hours of 5 days (or more) is (in my opinion) disgusting.

Re: Ask HN: Over 60 = no engineering jobs?

#155
That is weird. In general, what I’ve observed with a sizable fraction of older candidates is that a lot tend to be architecture types with weak coding skills. That would be the stereotype I would expect to be going against an experienced engineer, but I'd think that having ICPC champion on your resume would protect against that.

If you email me (email is on my profile) I can provide you referrals (including to my current employer) and information about resume-blind services that I’ve used in the past which might be helpful.

Re: Ask HN: Over 60 = no engineering jobs?

#156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LinkedIn my last job search I hardly did any direct job searches and I am hem hem close to 60

LinkedIn has been completely useless for me. Not a single time has it been acceptable. I'll link it in an email, and people will ask for me to send a PDF instead. Got a few complaints when I used the "Save as PDF" feature, since it was obviously generated from LinkedIn. shrugs

CEEV is a great resource for this.

Re: Ask HN: Over 60 = no engineering jobs?

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Not in HR myself, but maybe they are looking for candidates that would stay with the company for a longer time. It may also be easier to persuade/manage younger minds or groom them for leadership positions. Why are you job hopping, if you don't mind me asking?

My whole team was laid off two years ago. Last year I did a startup that unfortunately folded when my business partner had a major family tragedy. This year I've been contracting and looking for work. I ran the numbers and I can't retire yet. I'm looking to work another 8-9 years.

Re: Ask HN: Over 60 = no engineering jobs?

#158
I imagine you're making the Engineers mistake of pitching your credentials. Think of the hiring from the their perspective. A 25 yo recent Stanford Grad with no idea what they're doing with crippling insecurity. If they actually hired someone with experience then they might be outed as 'not the smartest guy everyone has ever met' and that would be devastating to their self image.

In order to send a signal that you're a safe hire that won't undermine them, either intentionally or accidentally, you'll need to show that you're a team player who will go along with their ideas no matter how obviously stupid they are. Crossfit is perfect for this.

Re: Ask HN: Over 60 = no engineering jobs?

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Speaking from experience you need two resumes (I’m much younger, but with a long career). One that’s management focused and one that’s developer focused. Use the appropriate resume for the role you are applying for. Even though I’m a hands on engineer people didn’t want to consider me for roles because I had management experience and they thought the engineering role would be too boring, and vice versa. Reduce your r…

Also, don’t give salary requirements. I imagine you’re more interested in the work than the money. I am, and I make it clear that salary won’t be the determining factor, but people will assume because of your experience you are going to be too expensive. I would be happy to look at your resume if you want some more feedback.

Hey Joe, I'm actually making my next move and would appreciate any help you can provide with my resume. What is the best way to reach you?

Re: Ask HN: Over 60 = no engineering jobs?

#160

I imagine you're making the Engineers mistake of pitching your credentials. Think of the hiring from the their perspective. A 25 yo recent Stanford Grad with no idea what they're doing with crippling insecurity. If they actually hired someone with experience then they might be outed as 'not the smartest guy everyone has ever met' and that would be devastating to their self image. In order to send a signal that you're…

Is this an attempt at humor?
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