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You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquette of iPad Tipping

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Re: You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquette of iPad Tipping

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What the heck does tipping have to do with slavery?

It originated from the emancipation of slaves, where restaurant owners didn't want to suddenly pay slaves, and so the onus went onto the customers. There are articles on the internet. Just type in "tipping slavery" in google. The Time magazine's article should come up on the first page.

Don't confuse slavery with the end of slavery.

These are different.

Re: You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquette of iPad Tipping

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Srsly. Is this actually a problem for anyone?

It is a problem because not tipping is seen as a massive faux pas in the US, and it is very possible to get publicly shamed for hitting the no tip button even if, like the article says, you are being handed a ready-to-go item.

Is it really? I have never seen it happen to anyone, or heard of it happening. I'd expect it to be far more common to be publicly shamed for peering at the screen while someone else is making a purchase.

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From the article: > In Connecticut, Mr. Dimyan, who says he feels his $3 coffee is pricey enough as it is, vented about the electronic tip prompts in a Twitter post earlier this month. > Square replied from its official Twitter account: “Tap `No Tip.’” Or.... Pay cash for a $3.00 item?

> Pay cash for a $3.00 item? Do HNers still use cash? It's been years since I carried a wallet that has a slot for cash.

>Do HNers still use cash?

Yes. And not even for the ultra-privacy-minded people.

I use cash for bodegas (small corner stores in NYC) because they have card minimums I don't want to hit.

Re: You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquette of iPad Tipping

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Please cite an example where not using cash necessitates a 30% higher price?

The requests for tips.

Key word being "request." It's optional, and you can choose not to pay one.

Re: You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquette of iPad Tipping

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Yeah I've started doing no tip on the iPad, but I feel guilty every time, which is ridiculous really even though I wouldn't have thought twice about it 3 years ago when I wasn't prompted to leave a tip.

Also tipping a bartender for popping a cap off my beer or pulling a lever on a tap...

Also tipping in a full service restaurant is equally fucking weird. Like why am I paying you a percentage of the food I order, why don't I just pay you (how good a job you did) * (how long I sat at your table).

Re: You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquette of iPad Tipping

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>It does deprive the server of a living wage. Then maybe the server should tell the customer how much they need to be tipped? "Welcome to AppleBees. My name is Trevor and I need an additional $24.89 in tips today so that my employer isn't obligated to pay me the minimum wage for this state." Also, should I be under-tipping waitstaff that I think are rich enough?

Employers have to make up the difference if tipped employees don't make enough tips to meet the minimum wage. However, minimum wage is often not a living wage.

I would guess there are dozens of cases of that actually happening a year. And then the person got fired.

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If anyone here has been to Japan, tipping is handled much more elegantly and with a lot more business integrity. Instead of guilt-tripping customers into tipping, businesses in Japan up their prices if they need more money. I remember once when I was in Osaka I was at a really good sushi place that I had visited several times prior. There was no tip option on the receipt (didn't see it anywhere in Japan) and there wa…

a lot of states have a lower minimum wage for tipped employees. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipped_wage

Employers have to make up the difference if tips don't get them there though. No one should be making less than min. The issue is that min wage isn't really enough.

Re: You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquette of iPad Tipping

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No guilt. No tip. Never. If they want more than the listed price they should raise the listed price. Social customs/expectations/guilt/whatever be damned. I never tip. Never have, never will.

The people you hurt by not tipping aren't the people who set the prices.

well, when 100,000 Iraqis where killed for 9/11, I didn't see that much outrage. Those waiters are on an open job market.

But I would just change the law: set a normal minimum wage and advertise tax included prices. And probably nudge as much as possible against the tip (I don't think it's bad enough that we need to make it a crime), but IMF has a dim view on the tip, it encourages corruption in all society.

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