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You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquette of iPad Tipping

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Re: You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquette of iPad Tipping

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In Japan, a tip can often even been seen as offensive. "What, you work at a curry shop? Here's a few hundred yen you poor thing." sort of message that is implied by tipping.

Exactly in Korea too. Tipping is often considered as if a generous rich guy throws their money to a poor man with sympathy. I think tipping is very rare in most of asian countries.

It used to be this way. But American tourism has spread tipping to many countries.

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As the father of a current bartender/waitress and the husband of a former I'd like to say: please don't use the servers as a lever to change this thing, because if they couldn't rely on tips they couldn't do the job. And then I thought about it a bit. The question I don't have an answer to: if people stopped tipping tomorrow, and the average tip was distributed somehow into the price of the food, would establishments be able to pay a living wage? If they can't, then that only heaps additional condemnation on the system imo.

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After all, those muffins just materialized in the display case, everything here functions so seamlessly that I don't really know why these self-styled 'employees' are cluttering up the place.

Is that what you tip for at a coffee shop? For someone to arrange muffins for you to look at?

tell me this kind stranger, what is it I do tip for? 'cause I've never figured this out, is the muffin supposed to land itself in my hand or is the plate supposed to walk itself from the cook to me. these are the basics of any restaurant. why should I have to pay 'extra' for this? and who decided 20% is the right tip amount for the right way to deliver your food to you. OTOH if it is optional then why frown when I decide to exercise my options.

As I see it its just a way for restaurants to punt the responsibility of providing livable wages to workers and externalizing every nickle and dime to me the consumer. its just a way to put you on the spot and shame you into paying extra.

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Not tipping in America rarely if ever gets you poor service. You have to return to the same business and happen to get served by the same server enough times for them to remember you. It does deprive the server of a living wage.

> It does deprive the server of a living wage.

No, the owner of the place deprives his/her employee of a living wage. I don't see how can that be possibly the responsibility of the customers.

Re: You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquette of iPad Tipping

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A lot of states are paid less if it's a job with tips: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipped_wage

But is a barista etc one of those jobs?

Yes. Any front-of-house restaurant staff that gets a share of tips are subject to those laws, and it's ridiculous. Worse, some restaurants even force the tips to be split between dishwashers, who actually are making minimum wage in many cases, so waitstaff get crushed even harder.

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I don't feel guilt when they swivel that ipad around, more like annoyance. When I'm asked to tip for someone handing me a cup of coffee, I say no tip. We should really be pushing to get away from this relic of slavery, and don't tip unless it's absolutely clear we need to; i.e. at a sit down restaurant.

Ouch, having worked in cafes and restaurants as an undergrad I pretty much always tip 20%. Is it absurd? Of course, but given how badly most waitstaff are paid, the idea that you will somehow eliminate the practice by stiffing a few barristas seems both sadistic and highly unlikely to change the world. Until robots hand me muffins, I accept it as a tax on eating out.

That's fine, but my problem with that line of thinking is that the norms we live with now have evolved to reward the workers who are serving the most affluent guests, not necessarily those working the hardest or who are paid the least.

For example, do you make a point of tipping the cashier at McDonalds? I'd bet that if you tried to and a manager saw you they would refuse it because the company doesn't want others to feel compelled to tip because they want to retain their image of a low-cost restaurant. Coffee shops selling $5 cups of coffee don't have that concern because people who frequent those places probably are a lot less price sensitive than those who eat at fast food restaurants.

15% used to be the norm across the board and adjusted from there based on the level of service. Now 20% is expected regardless of the level of service. In restaurants where a 20% gratuity is included in the bill I've noticed a significant drop-off in the level of service, even to the point where I would tip less than 20% if given the option, and I say that as someone who worked as a waiter at one point.

Re: You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquette of iPad Tipping

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The tip is expected only when you're at a real restaurant. No tip is required for fast food places. No tip is required up front before you're served. You should tip hair stylists and restaurant staff that brings you food or drink. I generally only tip 15 percent and I never tip at a buffet.

Why should you tip the hair stylists though. Isn't the service exactly what you pay for in the first place (same as taxi/uber)? For food I can kind of understand of since they decouple serving and preparation + ingredients. Note that I am not American and am new to tipping. Just curious

It's really just a matter of whether it's customary, which is only loosely related to whether it actually makes any sense.

Your taxi driver gets most if not all of your fare, but it's still expected to tip them. A grocery store cashier gets none of your payment directly, but you don't tip them. Don't try to make sense of it, just do what others do.

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The people you hurt by not tipping aren't the people who set the prices.

That's simply not my problem. Why should I care? If they are unhappy with their wages they should complain to their employer. It's not my job to fix their wages.

How much time have you spent working food service?

Re: You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquette of iPad Tipping

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The tip is expected only when you're at a real restaurant. No tip is required for fast food places. No tip is required up front before you're served. You should tip hair stylists and restaurant staff that brings you food or drink. I generally only tip 15 percent and I never tip at a buffet.

Why should you tip the hair stylists though. Isn't the service exactly what you pay for in the first place (same as taxi/uber)? For food I can kind of understand of since they decouple serving and preparation + ingredients. Note that I am not American and am new to tipping. Just curious

Those are amusing examples, as taxi drivers are traditionally tipped, though not as much anymore. For taxi drivers and hair stylists, it's a bit of a different scale.

Taxis/Ubers, I usually just add a couple bucks to the fare, or just pay with a slightly larger bill on purpose, and have them keep the change (if a $17 fare, give a $20). Similarly, bellhops at hotels are a similar role of giving a couple dollars instead of a percentage once they've brought your bag to your room (as there is no exchange of money during the entire process). Valet drivers are another example.

Hairstylists should be tipped because their payment structure is different. They aren't usually employed by the place you get your hair cut at, rather they lease a chair from the location. They are forced to use the prices displayed, and they get a small cut of that. You then tip them additionally depending on how well of a cut they did. I personally usually do (with a $15 haircut as an example) a $5-6 tip for a good cut, and $3-4 if it's just OK.

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The 'politics' of tipping aside, one thing that really grinds my gears is that they calculate the tip after taxes are applied. I feel that the tips should be calculated based on the exchange I had with the establishment/person and that the taxes should considered separate from our interaction. Like, here's the 20% tip on the 100$ I spent. Not, here's the 20% tip on the $100 + 5% tax, $105 total. I know why they do th…

This is configurable in the point of sale system. In my experience at local places it seems relatively evenly split between pretax and posttax. Not clear if there's a consistent default across all the various POS systems.

For example, Square's documentation: https://squareup.com/help/us/en/article/5069-accept-tips-wit...

>You will need to select if you would like your tips to be added before or after your taxes have been applied to the sale.

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