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You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquette of iPad Tipping

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Re: You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquette of iPad Tipping

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I don't feel guilt when they swivel that ipad around, more like annoyance. When I'm asked to tip for someone handing me a cup of coffee, I say no tip. We should really be pushing to get away from this relic of slavery, and don't tip unless it's absolutely clear we need to; i.e. at a sit down restaurant.

What the heck does tipping have to do with slavery?

Re: You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquette of iPad Tipping

#62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ouch, having worked in cafes and restaurants as an undergrad I pretty much always tip 20%. Is it absurd? Of course, but given how badly most waitstaff are paid, the idea that you will somehow eliminate the practice by stiffing a few barristas seems both sadistic and highly unlikely to change the world. Until robots hand me muffins, I accept it as a tax on eating out.

It's only "stiffing" if we start with the assumption they are supposed to be tipped. I'm not well-versed in the history of coffee shops, but it seems to me that it is not a well-established norm -- as compared to bars and restaurants, for example. But I'm happy to be corrected if I'm mistaken about this.

Coffee shops are a unique one, though traditionally you tip the barista in particular, not the cashier. It's been somewhat on its way out culturally over the past few decades in the US however.

Re: You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquette of iPad Tipping

#63
post #23

Own your privilege and tip the goddamn 15-20%. If you can afford to spend $3 on a coffee, you can afford to spend $3.60 on a coffee. You almost certainly make a lot more than the guy or girl behind the counter. (I love the iPad payment thingy because I always feel guilty never having cash to put in a tip jar.)

Where should we do this? Do we do it at McDonald's too? At the gas station? When buying computers?

Re: You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquette of iPad Tipping

#64
post #51
post #17

No guilt. No tip. Never. If they want more than the listed price they should raise the listed price. Social customs/expectations/guilt/whatever be damned. I never tip. Never have, never will.

I hope people ignore the social custom and spit in your food.

I take your point and think it is a worthy one. However, your particular example would be illegal, no? Not just a mere social custom.

Re: You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquette of iPad Tipping

#65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ouch, having worked in cafes and restaurants as an undergrad I pretty much always tip 20%. Is it absurd? Of course, but given how badly most waitstaff are paid, the idea that you will somehow eliminate the practice by stiffing a few barristas seems both sadistic and highly unlikely to change the world. Until robots hand me muffins, I accept it as a tax on eating out.

It's only "stiffing" if we start with the assumption they are supposed to be tipped. I'm not well-versed in the history of coffee shops, but it seems to me that it is not a well-established norm -- as compared to bars and restaurants, for example. But I'm happy to be corrected if I'm mistaken about this.

A lot of states are paid less if it's a job with tips:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipped_wage

Re: You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquette of iPad Tipping

#66

If anyone here has been to Japan, tipping is handled much more elegantly and with a lot more business integrity. Instead of guilt-tripping customers into tipping, businesses in Japan up their prices if they need more money. I remember once when I was in Osaka I was at a really good sushi place that I had visited several times prior. There was no tip option on the receipt (didn't see it anywhere in Japan) and there wa…

Every place has their customs. The Japanese may not tip, but they have different customs and you have to follow them. Nobody is going to take kindly to you if you say "hey, I'm a sovereign citizen, I won't use the appropriate honorifics and I'll keep my shoes on thank you very much!"

Re: You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquette of iPad Tipping

#67
post #23

Own your privilege and tip the goddamn 15-20%. If you can afford to spend $3 on a coffee, you can afford to spend $3.60 on a coffee. You almost certainly make a lot more than the guy or girl behind the counter. (I love the iPad payment thingy because I always feel guilty never having cash to put in a tip jar.)

This is strange and not at all how I think about tipping. I tip if the service can be a differentiator (servers, bartenders, baristas at smaller coffee shops). If the person is just giving me change and handing me some food/drink and barely interacting with me, a tip really isn't warranted IMO.

Re: You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquette of iPad Tipping

#68

I don't feel guilt when they swivel that ipad around, more like annoyance. When I'm asked to tip for someone handing me a cup of coffee, I say no tip. We should really be pushing to get away from this relic of slavery, and don't tip unless it's absolutely clear we need to; i.e. at a sit down restaurant.

>We should really be pushing

But when pushing, it's worth it to be mindful of where you exert your force. The causal flow (from not tipping to wages being raised to the point where tipping is not necessary) is indirect enough that it is uncertain to effect the desired change. Might there be other paths to achieving this goal?

Re: You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquette of iPad Tipping

#69
post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a bit extreme. I hope you don't eat at sit down restaurants often.

I do. But I never tip. They get the price they ask, that I can see before I order. That should be enough or they should change their prices/wages so tipping is not necessary. And no, I don't feel the least guilty about that.

If you want to claim to be principled about this then you should inform the waitstaff at the start of the interaction that you don't intend to tip. The price they ask has expectation of tip built in implicitly - failing to disclose that you won't tip is therefore a lie of omission. I hope you're not that sort of person.

Re: You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquette of iPad Tipping

#70

The introduction of iPad-tip-for-everything ridiculousness has made me reevaluate tipping in general. I've found myself tipping less even for the more normal things, all because the iPads forced me to start thinking about it. I often tap "no tip" on Square terminals.

a great rule of thumb is if you paid cash where they don’t have these ipads to ask for a tip, is a tip ever expected?
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