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You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquette of iPad Tipping

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Re: You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquette of iPad Tipping

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post #17

No guilt. No tip. Never. If they want more than the listed price they should raise the listed price. Social customs/expectations/guilt/whatever be damned. I never tip. Never have, never will.

The people you hurt by not tipping aren't the people who set the prices.

Re: You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquette of iPad Tipping

#32

If anyone here has been to Japan, tipping is handled much more elegantly and with a lot more business integrity. Instead of guilt-tripping customers into tipping, businesses in Japan up their prices if they need more money. I remember once when I was in Osaka I was at a really good sushi place that I had visited several times prior. There was no tip option on the receipt (didn't see it anywhere in Japan) and there wa…

My parents didn't know when they went to Japan; they tipped at a restaurant and walked out the door. They were promptly chased down the street and their money handed back to them.

Re: You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquette of iPad Tipping

#33

If anyone here has been to Japan, tipping is handled much more elegantly and with a lot more business integrity. Instead of guilt-tripping customers into tipping, businesses in Japan up their prices if they need more money. I remember once when I was in Osaka I was at a really good sushi place that I had visited several times prior. There was no tip option on the receipt (didn't see it anywhere in Japan) and there wa…

In Japan, a tip can often even been seen as offensive. "What, you work at a curry shop? Here's a few hundred yen you poor thing." sort of message that is implied by tipping.

Re: You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquette of iPad Tipping

#34
I've noticed this with food trucks (like the article mentions) and some mall food court places. It definitely feels awkward. It's resulted in me avoiding these types of places or using cash. It's kind of a relief to know that it bothers other people.

Re: You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquette of iPad Tipping

#35
post #17

No guilt. No tip. Never. If they want more than the listed price they should raise the listed price. Social customs/expectations/guilt/whatever be damned. I never tip. Never have, never will.

That's a bit extreme. I hope you don't eat at sit down restaurants often.

I do. But I never tip. They get the price they ask, that I can see before I order. That should be enough or they should change their prices/wages so tipping is not necessary. And no, I don't feel the least guilty about that.

Re: You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquette of iPad Tipping

#36

I don't feel guilt when they swivel that ipad around, more like annoyance. When I'm asked to tip for someone handing me a cup of coffee, I say no tip. We should really be pushing to get away from this relic of slavery, and don't tip unless it's absolutely clear we need to; i.e. at a sit down restaurant.

Ouch, having worked in cafes and restaurants as an undergrad I pretty much always tip 20%. Is it absurd? Of course, but given how badly most waitstaff are paid, the idea that you will somehow eliminate the practice by stiffing a few barristas seems both sadistic and highly unlikely to change the world. Until robots hand me muffins, I accept it as a tax on eating out.

Re: You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquette of iPad Tipping

#37
post #2

From the article: > In Connecticut, Mr. Dimyan, who says he feels his $3 coffee is pricey enough as it is, vented about the electronic tip prompts in a Twitter post earlier this month. > Square replied from its official Twitter account: “Tap `No Tip.’” Or.... Pay cash for a $3.00 item?

A lot of people just plain don’t carry cash to spend any more. To say that five years ago (with typical CC PoS systems) that would have been fine but today thanks to these startups we’ve regressed to having to pay with cash or else need to pay 15-30% more is ridiculous.

Please cite an example where not using cash necessitates a 30% higher price?

Re: You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquette of iPad Tipping

#38

I dislike the tip-at-purchase-time paradigm. I haven't even seen my order yet, how am I supposed to evaluate how much of a tip it warranted? But that gets to the heart of it really: tipping is more about subsidizing payroll than rewarding good service.

This is the heart of it for me. If I tip cash, even if the tip jar is next to the register I always make a point of going back to tip at the end of my drink / food if the experience was good. A digital version should be some kind of contactless payment point at the door where you can easily set a tip amount and tap your phone / card.

Re: You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquette of iPad Tipping

#39
The 'politics' of tipping aside, one thing that really grinds my gears is that they calculate the tip after taxes are applied. I feel that the tips should be calculated based on the exchange I had with the establishment/person and that the taxes should considered separate from our interaction. Like, here's the 20% tip on the 100$ I spent. Not, here's the 20% tip on the $100 + 5% tax, $105 total. I know why they do this, it's more money to them, but, to me, it's disingenuous (or they don't realize it being done this way, which may be worse).

Re: You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquette of iPad Tipping

#40
post #11

How is this any different than not tipping with cash? Everyone behind you in line can see whether you put anything into the tip jar. Or is it that there's some plausible deniability that you can claim with not having cash which isn't present for card tips?

You have to make a specific action to not tip in one. The other if you make they minimal amount of actions (pay for your item, grab the item) then you haven't taken the action of not tipping. Also the visual difference between tipping 20% and 10% is huge with this, it's hard to tell with cash and change

and I tip 15 percent, not 20, so if there's no 15 option I just give 10. And that's only in a sit down restaurant I never tip if I'm not being waited on.
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