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Engineer saves man by crashing into him on purpose

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Re: Engineer saves man by crashing into him on purpose

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't that what governments do every day? They take choices for the well being of the country, without consulting me. Oh the irony.

That is kind of non-sequitur

It wasn't supposed to be. I was being sarcastic. Guess sarcasm doesn't translate well in the interwebs.

Re: Engineer saves man by crashing into him on purpose

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There are so many ways this could have gone wrong... For example, the guy was passed out - the initial impact could have knocked the other driver's foot off the gas, or cause it to press harder, further worsening the situation. Also, if the bumpers didn't match, or if the angle of impact was not totally flat, you could easily end up in a "jackknife" style situation where the rear car pushes the front car at an angle…

There is nothing wrong with this comment. The objections he raises are perfectly valid. Yes, it could have gone dreadfully wrong. In this instance, it didn't, and it is a credit to the engineer's skill that it worked. For many other people however, it would definitely be a bad idea to try. Yes, it's great that he did it, and that he took fast action to save a life. It really is; it's a great story! But a down-to-eart…

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Re: Engineer saves man by crashing into him on purpose

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This is an incredible story. But I think it's important for everyone to remember the context of who this hero is.

He manages the F22 fighter jet program at Boeing. That means that he's in charge of building gigantic killing machines that are only built so that they can be used to kill or threaten to kill human beings.

This man did an incredible thing on the road and I'm not trying to diminish that. But he's not a 100% good person: he works with weapons fully knowing that his work has probably resulted in many deaths of innocent people.

Edit: Hey downvoters, I'm being totally serious here. Please reply to me and we can have a discussion; downvoting my opinions silently (because you disagree? or you think I'm trolling? or you don't like what I'm saying?) is rude and not good for the community.

Re: Engineer saves man by crashing into him on purpose

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Yes, indeed. Next time you should be very hesitant. Hesitate so much that the out of control car plows into a busy intersection. So many things could go right. It could just barely miss that SUV with 4 kids in the back, and I'm sure it would only scare the elderly couple crossing the street. C'mon, seriously? The article is an up-beat account of how things can go right . How under pressure someone made a necessarily…

If my math is right, the kinentic energy of 2 ton vehicle going 40 MPH is roughly equivalent to 70kg of TNT. That's the kind of fire this guy was playing with, for his life, the life of his family, the life of the other driver and all the bystanders. Not to understate his heroism, but had this gone horribly wrong he'd probably be a Darwin award candidate.

"Not to understate his heroism, but had this gone horribly wrong he'd probably be a Darwin award candidate."

It's not heroic if the stakes aren't high.

Re: Engineer saves man by crashing into him on purpose

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is kind of non-sequitur

It wasn't supposed to be. I was being sarcastic. Guess sarcasm doesn't translate well in the interwebs.

I think that saying 'Oh the irony' in a 'sarcastic' comment is far too meta to be understood in almost any context.

Re: Engineer saves man by crashing into him on purpose

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post #3

There are so many ways this could have gone wrong... For example, the guy was passed out - the initial impact could have knocked the other driver's foot off the gas, or cause it to press harder, further worsening the situation. Also, if the bumpers didn't match, or if the angle of impact was not totally flat, you could easily end up in a "jackknife" style situation where the rear car pushes the front car at an angle…

not to mention "Without consulting the passengers in his minivan — "there was no time to take a vote" — Innes kicked into engineer mode." more like "Innes kicked into irresponsible mode risking other people's lives to try something he probably saw on a movie"

Come on. The risk was very low.

  1. Drive infront
  2. Match the speed
  3. Slowly reduce speed so that the car behind knocks
     into your back bumper at a relative speed of like
     1 mph. Maybe you feel a tiny bump.
  4. Apply brakes
Yes it's impressive, but I'd be willing to bet it's not that dangerous at all. The very very worst case scenario is that you don't match the speed very well and get rear ended, which is pretty much the best type of crash you can have.

Re: Engineer saves man by crashing into him on purpose

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post #23

This is an incredible story. But I think it's important for everyone to remember the context of who this hero is. He manages the F22 fighter jet program at Boeing. That means that he's in charge of building gigantic killing machines that are only built so that they can be used to kill or threaten to kill human beings. This man did an incredible thing on the road and I'm not trying to diminish that. But he's not a 100…

I believe you're not trolling, so here's an attempt to explain. First, even if you're right, it's discordant to spoil a beautiful story of individual goodness. Second, even if you're right about Boeing, the connection you're drawing to this one guy is facile. If he's evil for working at Boeing, by that standard we're all so drenched in evil the difference is negligible. Your reference to being a "100% good person" is foolish; anyone who would even entertain the concept of such a thing being possible in this world has a lot of limbering up to do. Finally, your favored ideology is not one of the, let's say, two or three ideologies most in favor here. In general, when speaking in a community with very different basic beliefs, you need to make fewer assumptions - probably a good idea in any case.

Also, please (re-)read the HN guidelines.

Re: Engineer saves man by crashing into him on purpose

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post #23

This is an incredible story. But I think it's important for everyone to remember the context of who this hero is. He manages the F22 fighter jet program at Boeing. That means that he's in charge of building gigantic killing machines that are only built so that they can be used to kill or threaten to kill human beings. This man did an incredible thing on the road and I'm not trying to diminish that. But he's not a 100…

The engineers don't decide to go to war. The military gives them a spec for a weapon system, and they build it. Outside of the Manhattan project, I can think of very few instances where the actual engineers involved are in any way irreplacable. So if you don't do it, someone else will anyway. Once the government decides it wants to buy a weapon system, it is going to get it if it is technically and financially feasible.

So don't point your finger at this guy, if you have a problem with fighter jets then you need to change the country itself. That is through politics and the military. To me he is just an aerospace engineer that works on the F-22, I see no problem with that.

Especially considering the F-22 is barely used and is mostly a weapon to deal with other jets that don't even exist yet. If you are working on biological, nuclear, or chemical weaopns than I'd have problems with it, but something like a missile or a rifle or a tank isn't that ethically bad because we already have plenty of weapons just like them. The advances in technology just allows the military to do things more precisely. If you have a choice between a guided missile to hit a house, or an artillery barrage to level a block, which would you rather have? Engineers enabled the former.

Re: Engineer saves man by crashing into him on purpose

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Several comments mention the upcoming intersection as if crossing traffic were likely. It is actually a classic cloverleaf. Search google maps for Renton Washington and look for highway 167, where the incident occurred, and its intersection with I-405. I haven't been over there for several months, so I'm not sure how up-to-date the satellite view is, but it looks right to me.

Re: Engineer saves man by crashing into him on purpose

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post #29

Several comments mention the upcoming intersection as if crossing traffic were likely. It is actually a classic cloverleaf. Search google maps for Renton Washington and look for highway 167, where the incident occurred, and its intersection with I-405. I haven't been over there for several months, so I'm not sure how up-to-date the satellite view is, but it looks right to me.

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