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Cannabis is legal in Canada: What you need to know

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This will be very interesting to watch. So far the marijuana debate seems to be stifled by the lack of hard evidence of what would happen were the drug legalised in a developed Western nation. Uruguay is different enough from the US etc. to be discountable, but Canada is not. Many advocates for legalisation will show how it is expected to reduce the overall harm from the drug. It will be interesting to see if this pl…

> lack of hard evidence of what would happen were the drug legalised in a developed Western nation Does the Netherlands not count?

It's not legal there though is it, it's some form of legal accommodation short of legality that doesn't really give evidence for making recreational cannabis use legal.

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Canada is leading in personal freedoms and new markets with this move, ending cannabis prohibition that is long overdue and a step in ending the drug wars.

The policy change regarding viewing drugs not as criminal but decriminalized and a health issue where needed, is the safer thing to do in a regulated market that will improve safety for recreational use and harm reduction. The War on Drugs started as an attack on personal freedoms and made drugs more dangerous both in production and use, spawning all sorts of synthetics that are more dangerous and black market mafia forces spawning violence just like during alcohol prohibition.

Maybe in 2019 the US can be next as a whole ending cannabis prohibition, about 50 years after the kickoff of Nixon's drug wars due to losing to Leary in the SCOTUS over the Marihuana Tax Act [1]

> Leary v. United States, 395 U.S. 6 (1969), is a U.S. Supreme Court case dealing with the constitutionality of the Marihuana Tax Act of 1937. Timothy Leary, a professor and activist, was arrested for the possession of marijuana in violation of the Marihuana Tax Act. Leary challenged the act on the ground that the act required self-incrimination, which violated the Fifth Amendment. The unanimous opinion of the court was penned by Justice John Marshall Harlan II and declared the Marihuana Tax Act unconstitutional. Thus, Leary's conviction was overturned. Congress responded shortly thereafter by replacing the Marihuana Tax Act with the newly written Controlled Substances Act while continuing the prohibition of certain drugs in the United States

Unfortunately, it is too bad leading states like Colorado, Washington, Oregon, California, Nevada and more aren't able to capitalize on the markets until the US as a whole federally ends prohibition. US states that are forward looking are cut off from banking, interstate commerce, global investment and are being held back by the anti-market approach of the current prohibitions.

Canada stepped up to first mover globally for cannabis which will lead to a chance at global cannabis companies being Canadian.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leary_v._United_States

Re: Cannabis is legal in Canada: What you need to know

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This will be very interesting to watch. So far the marijuana debate seems to be stifled by the lack of hard evidence of what would happen were the drug legalised in a developed Western nation. Uruguay is different enough from the US etc. to be discountable, but Canada is not. Many advocates for legalisation will show how it is expected to reduce the overall harm from the drug. It will be interesting to see if this pl…

It's been legal enough in California for years and recreational use is now explicitly legal in Alaska, California, Colorado, Maine, Massachusetts, Nevada, Oregon, Vermont and Washington (with legal changes pending in other states).

US national laws are certainly a different case, but the debate is hardly "stifled".

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This will be very interesting to watch. So far the marijuana debate seems to be stifled by the lack of hard evidence of what would happen were the drug legalised in a developed Western nation. Uruguay is different enough from the US etc. to be discountable, but Canada is not. Many advocates for legalisation will show how it is expected to reduce the overall harm from the drug. It will be interesting to see if this pl…

> lack of hard evidence of what would happen were the drug legalised in a developed Western nation Does the Netherlands not count?

It's not technically legal in the Netherlands. Just deeply tolerated in some places.

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Anti weed people made a lot of noise when CO and WA legalized retail sales 4 years ago, as if it would cause mass chaos, but really nothing much has changed in those states. Law enforcement have much bigger problems to deal with like a fentanyl epidemic, and Seattle's rapidly growing homeless population and property crime problem.

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Wow, some really interesting edge cases in there that require serious thought. US border guards might deny you entry if you admit to previous cannabis use - for them "A confession is as good as a conviction". So you can do something that is perfectly legal in Canada, then a month later be denied entry to the US for doing it. If you work at a 100% legal Government-run Cannabis store and want to go to the US for a holi…

> US border guards might deny you entry if you admit to previous cannabis use What? How? Why? That makes no sense.

They can deny entry for pretty much any reason.

You are correct that the US border policy with Canada doesn't make any sense.

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>Ontario's new PC government has been quiet on prices, but said it aims to set them at a rate that would be competitive with illicit dispensaries.

Do Canadian government set prices for many goods? Would the same prices apply to giving people pot you grew at home?

Several times it mentions "smoking pot", surely they should be trying to make vaping or other use normative otherwise you're inviting lots of illnesses related to smoking anything.

Does cannabis get cut with other plant matter a lot, are they planning on any enforcement there?

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Slight digression, yesterday someone told me the existence of the Kratom plant. Which seems another potent and not harmful leaf that can improve your quality of life. (the few research on it is muddy so grain of salt required, but the amount of people shouting publicly for it in the US gets one thinking).

Are you implying that marijuana is "not harmful" and "can improve your quality of life"?

Less harmful than alcohol, without a shadow of a doubt. Zero recorded deaths, in thousands of years of medical use - can :any: other substance say the same?

And yes for many, many people it absolutely improves their quality of life dramatically.

So, I have no idea why you’re taking issue with this statement (unless you work for a pharma co / drug gang, in which case I totally get why you would).

Re: Cannabis is legal in Canada: What you need to know

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Don't forget: The current marijuana laws around the world can all be basically pinpointed to a single person: Harry motherfucking Anslinger[0], who was in the position of power within the US for unprecedented 32 years. He got in power 16 years before Trump was born, and ended up being in power until Trump turned 16.

That guy loved to use anecdotes instead of facts, and presented marijuana as a drug that makes you kill people. As an example, he often used a case in which a guy from Florida killed his parents and chopped their bodies, always failing to mention that this person was recommended to go to a mental institution and didn't end up going there because his parents vouched for him.

After Harry was done with criminalizing marijuana within the US, he started advocating for other countries to do as well, being the US representative in the United Nations Narcotics Commission. Even Thailand ended up criminalizing it, despite marijuana usage being embedded in their culture and history. The fear of the US turning their backs on you was and remained a risky action for smaller countries.

The good news is we're on our way to revert his fuckery within a century. The bad news is that his fuckery lasted a century and got countless people sent to jail.

For those interested in how the current drug laws came to be, I highly recommend you to read Chasing The Scream[1]. It has completely changed my perspective of drug usage and war on drugs and I consider it one of the best nonfiction books I got my hands on so far.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_J._Anslinger

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chasing_the_Scream

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