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How Employers Track Their Workers

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Re: How Employers Track Their Workers

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How ubiquitous is this for TSA? I hear people on hackernews complain about theft from the TSA every so often, but according to this, they're being recorded so it shouldn't happen, or if it does, they should be able to prove if it was stolen by TSA. Are people just blaming TSA for their lost things, is TSA covering up thefts that they know are happening, or what?

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Re: How Employers Track Their Workers

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These type of "tools" are used by low-lives to control people so that they feel that they have some sense of control over people. In terms of getting good hard-working motivated people to work for you, this sort of technology does exactly the opposite.

This comment gave me a thought: maybe the reason that employees rebel against these systems has less to do with the implied lack of trust, and more to do with the loss of autonomy?

If the boss isn't around to watch you all the time, you get judged by your results at the end of the day. If you're being watched all the time, you get judged by how closely you adhere to every asinine rule that management makes up.

Re: How Employers Track Their Workers

#24
IMHO having a camera over your head is just one (small) step worse than working in open-plan offices. It got popular only for one reason, for just like cameras it gives the management that false sense of control.

Re: How Employers Track Their Workers

#25

Workers who are being surveiled should do the bare minimum while developing skills during free time that benefit future employers and not the current one.

Sadly, I think this almost always should be the case. That is, unless the employer actually is benevolent and puts effort into nurturing the futures of its employees. But how often do we see that?

People should basically work no more than 4 hours a day, and the remaining 4 hours should either be spent developing skills or running a side-hustle on a personal laptop. Better that than bullshitting, which is what the vast majority of people do after they're burned out working 3 hours.

Re: How Employers Track Their Workers

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as someone who works a blue collar job in an auto repair shop, these articles always make me pause for a moment and ask if i really want to keep learning python in the hopes of pursuing an office job. The entire environment just sounds like high school all over again. Why does anyone in an office put up with it?? is this somehow different than time keeping? do you have a punch card?

If you asked my boss where i was, shed probably just point at the garage and wave at the 'authorized personnel only' sign. She has no reason to care what size wrench im holding or why im beating the living shit out of a siezed idler pitman assembly. I once drove a car with no doors and a missing windshield out of the lot and down the street, and the only thing she wanted from me was to know if id run to leroys donut and pick up a frozen coffee.

Why is this different in an office? are office jobs just not trustworthy?

Re: How Employers Track Their Workers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A few years back a guy I knew from college wanted to have a meeting with me regarding a "business opportunity". He pitched me an idea for a system that would essentially spy on IT contractors through the webcam during work. Fortunately his budget was laughably small and my participation out of the question so he never went through with this. He is known for being utterly shameless but I guess what other kind of perso…

Doesn't upwork and other freelance style sites monitor by webcam/screencapture as an option?

Ugh. Sounds like a porn-adjacent cam site for frustrated, bottom-feeder control freaks.

Re: How Employers Track Their Workers

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When our company first began implementing employee tracking the goal was to help our staff understand their own performance, co-educate and to attempt to support a culture of experimenting with every aspect of our work.

Our initial systems ended up being decent at keeping people "moving fast" but in our first few feedback sessions we found it stressed people out, encouraged competition instead of co-education and locked people into workflows they "knew worked" rather than fostering experimentation.

We quickly killed all but the most basic performance tracking aspects of the project and we found better ways to achieve our goals.

We now have a sort of "opt-in" tracking for staff who are interested in testing the strengths and weaknesses of a novel approach, for example. This puts the data in their hands as a tool to convince us of the validity of their approach and the empowerment is not trivial.

It's far more friendly and humane but it's also something that benefits everyone at the company.

Re: How Employers Track Their Workers

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as someone who works a blue collar job in an auto repair shop, these articles always make me pause for a moment and ask if i really want to keep learning python in the hopes of pursuing an office job. The entire environment just sounds like high school all over again. Why does anyone in an office put up with it?? is this somehow different than time keeping? do you have a punch card? If you asked my boss where i was,…

No one in an office job knows if anyone else is doing anything useful. Or even if they're doing anything useful.
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