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From what I've read, Assange is into ego-gratification, not idealism.
Where did you read that, rushlimbaugh.com? Straight outta the Karl Rove playbook. Don't play defense, attack attack attack.
Everything wikileaks does is not Hacker News. This is just "news."
Ignoring the content of these files for a while, it seems to me that nobody is too concerned with the fact that the US government managed to lose 400.000 secret documents and what implications this might have for future conflicts.
Everything wikileaks does is not Hacker News. This is just "news."
Actually, the fact that it's obviously important that the people, who administer and have access to your IT infrastructure, think what you're doing is legal and moral, is rather interesting. Ignoring the content of these files for a while, it seems to me that nobody is too concerned with the fact that the US government managed to lose 400.000 secret documents and what implications this might have for future conflicts…
Is there a link to the download / torrent?
Just as a counterpoint, risking godwining this topic: What would you think if we were in mid-1944 and these documents detailed the operations of Nazi Germany and listed several people who helped German occupation forces? The morality of this war is at the core of this discussion. If you feel this war is immoral, then those who helped occupation forces to commit war crimes deserve no sympathy. If, however, you feel th…
Another topic on HackerNews a little while ago asked what would our grandchildren find abhorrent about how we conduct ourselves nowadays. I bet you can see where this is going. Imagine all throughout history we thought slavery and human sacrifice was an okay way to conduct ourselves. What if someday our grandchildren's grandchildren come to believe that all war is immoral in and of itself or possibly say that an army should only be used for emergencies and defense. I'm not advocating this mind-set, I'm just creating a thought experiment that tries to {bracket} the dualism.
One more (to my mind) interesting consequence of concentrating on the initial intentions is that it is presupposed that the moral force is meant to carry through the entire event. "I did it all with the best of intentions" (Yes you did / No you didn't) seems to cover the duration of the entire event even if the event comprises many actors over many years. This arguably is not a great way of deciding right from wrong no matter where you lie on this issue.
And one more thing. And then I'll shut up, promise :) How people feel about this issue could be seen to stem not from the duality that I think was given but from simply how patriotic they are: I love my country / I am proud of my country / my country can do no wrong or rarely does wrong / my country operates with the best of intentions. Also seems to boil down to how trustful or distrustful of those currently in power or whoever is in power.
I hope we do find out and I hope we find out soon because I don't want my daughter to be having this debate with her friends when she is an adult about some other land torn apart by war. I say all this not in judgement of the current situation but to raise these issues so we can better understand ourselves. All things being equal (which they never are) are we at least in agreement that it is better this information is out in the open.
Everything wikileaks does is not Hacker News. This is just "news."
There is no justification for doing wrong. The motive for keeping incriminating evidence hidden is to continue engaging in nefarious behavior without being caught. The fact that people's lives will be in danger after releasing the information is even more reason to not engage in that behavior in the first place. It is NOT justification for continuing to hide the horrendous things that have been done. The only thing t…
and that includes disclosing names of civilians who are helping US Forces?
are innocent people really your concern?
the irony is that wikileaks also previously released a video showing us forces killing innocent people. and my guess you were probably more outraged over the video being released than the innocent civilians killed by us forces.
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I don't know why you are silencing me. I am telling the truth. The guys from wikileaks have freely admitted that they don't care about the innocent lives that may or may not be lost from this information (and even further through their actions). If you look at the past HN articles about this, many of the supporting comments were along the same lines.
I did not downvote you, but since you are still asking, I found your original post very confusing, and it added nothing to the conversation. > As we've seen with earlier releases, it's better for a few innocent people to die than keep some of this information secret. Why/how is it better? "Some of them probably even deserve it" It's an inflammatory statement, I'm not even sure what you are trying to say.
Everything wikileaks does is not Hacker News. This is just "news."
everything wikileaks has done is not only more "news" than hacker news, but also more "hacker" than hacker news.
I see you haven't been here long, though, and your karma seems to be reflecting that you don't really get HN yet, so if you're just trolling you can ignore this comment.