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Facebook to ban misinformation on voting in upcoming U.S. elections

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Re: Facebook to ban misinformation on voting in upcoming U.S. elections

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Trying to overcompensate for bias is how we got into this mess in the first place. Rather than picking a set of biases and viewpoints and presenting that, news orgs and silicon valley have decided that $thing_i_agree_with and $the_opposite_view deserve equal reach/airtime.

I totally expect that Facebook will just pick biased "fact-checkers" on both sides of the aisle and call it done. Google has over 150 organizations that are allowed to "fact check" through their API: https://www.blog.google/products/search/fact-check-now-avail...

Feel free to look at the list of fact-checkers that Facebook uses for any particular country, if you're so inclined:

https://www.facebook.com/help/publisher/182222309230722

Re: Facebook to ban misinformation on voting in upcoming U.S. elections

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An ability to trace the sources of the posts might be interesting. And connecting that to discourse about the typical accuracy of those sources. "This content paid for by... here's the other content they paid for/posted, the trend of topics they discuss, and a weighted bullshit meter" But Facebook plainly wants to moderate the narratives for themselves; until recently their entire news feed was human curated. Now the…

I think that leaving information up on the website, but make plainly visible the sponsor (and a list of other items sponsored), would be a decent feature that Facebook would absolutely never implement.

That is a reason against facebooks business model.

Re: Facebook to ban misinformation on voting in upcoming U.S. elections

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The upcoming US elections may prove to be a watershed moment for modern democracies in general. There is a widely held belief in academic cycles that mass voter manipulation through social media has managed to trump all other kinds of propaganda, causing people to become electoral zombies. This belief is based on flimsy evidence and on a mountain of bias. I hope facebook and the other media do everything by the book…

Instead of mass voter manipulation of voters through the establishment media? Nobody would be in a panic at all if Hillary had won.

lolololololololololololol - people have been panicking for 26 years at the thought of Hillary Clinton being president.

Re: Facebook to ban misinformation on voting in upcoming U.S. elections

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trying to overcompensate for bias is how we got into this mess in the first place. Rather than picking a set of biases and viewpoints and presenting that, news orgs and silicon valley have decided that $thing_i_agree_with and $the_opposite_view deserve equal reach/airtime.

>Rather than picking a set of biases and viewpoints and presenting that, news orgs and silicon valley have decided that $thing_i_agree_with and $the_opposite_view deserve equal reach/airtime No, we do that because a marketplace of subjective ideas is a good thing.

Except a lot of the "ideas" aren't subjective.

The most obvious case would be climate change. Regularly, climate skeptics are given the same amount of airtime as climate scientists, despite the fact that the evidence and opinion is overwhelmingly in support of climate change being a real problem.

A realistic panel would be 98 climate scientists on one side, and two climate skeptics on the other.

By giving someone with far less evidence equal airtime and respect, it lends credence to that point of view despite it being so poorly supported by facts.

This is most definitely not a good thing.

Re: Facebook to ban misinformation on voting in upcoming U.S. elections

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Good. And if they happen to more consistently filter conservative sources this time around [1], then maybe the conservative ecosystem should fix that instead of opting to jerk off about a dystopian future (sourced from a book they read in middle school) because someone has the intellectual fortitude to appropriately label and filter fud.

[1] https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/is-facebook-censoring-cons...

Re: Facebook to ban misinformation on voting in upcoming U.S. elections

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I really don't think you should remove information (or even be able to sue someone, except for defamation) for it being false, because it gives people the false impression that if information is printed or allowed on Facebook that it's probably accurate. We need to give everyone the impression that whatever they read might be false, because it actually might be false. Maybe that will make people think critically abou…

Or you could use your critical thinking skills and keep in mind that they're not going to catch everything. This falls in line with the mentality of "don't let perfectionism get in the way of progress".

We need to focus more on teaching critical thinking in schools, it will lead to people who can call out bullshit way more reliably.

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That is terribly inefficient.

That is very effective.

Not really. There is a whole host of information that you'd never be able to operate on, mainly because you as a person do not have the time or expertise to discern what's true and what's not on every subject that comes up.

Re: Facebook to ban misinformation on voting in upcoming U.S. elections

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"On the issue of fake news, Facebook has held off on a total ban, instead limiting the spread of articles marked as false by vetted fact-checkers. However, that approach can leave fact-checkers overwhelmed and able to tackle only the most viral hoaxes." Does anyone else find this concerning? Even the smallest bias held by fact-checkers can dramatically skew things towards one side e.g. only "fact-check" articles that…

Trying to overcompensate for bias is how we got into this mess in the first place. Rather than picking a set of biases and viewpoints and presenting that, news orgs and silicon valley have decided that $thing_i_agree_with and $the_opposite_view deserve equal reach/airtime.

Herbert Marcuse picked up on this idea that mass media broadcasts any opinion no matter how stupid and misinformed in 1965, and it's only gotten worse:

>Within the affluent democracy, the affluent discussion prevails, and within the established framework, it is tolerant to a large extent. All points of view can be heard: the Communist and the Fascist, the Left and the Right, the white and the Negro, the crusaders for armament and for disarmament. Moreover, in endlessly dragging debates over the media, the stupid opinion is treated with the same respect as the intelligent one, the misinformed may talk as long as the informed, and propaganda rides along with education, truth with falsehood. This pure toleration of sense and nonsense is justified by the democratic argument that nobody, neither group nor individual, is in possession of the truth and capable of defining what is right and wrong, good and bad. Therefore, all contesting opinions must be submitted to 'the people' for its deliberation and choice. But I have already suggested that the democratic argument implies a necessary condition, namely, that the people must be capable of deliberating and choosing on the basis of knowledge, that they must have access to authentic information, and that, on this. basis, their evaluation must be the result of autonomous thought.

(From Repressive Tolerance, 1965)

Re: Facebook to ban misinformation on voting in upcoming U.S. elections

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"On the issue of fake news, Facebook has held off on a total ban, instead limiting the spread of articles marked as false by vetted fact-checkers. However, that approach can leave fact-checkers overwhelmed and able to tackle only the most viral hoaxes." Does anyone else find this concerning? Even the smallest bias held by fact-checkers can dramatically skew things towards one side e.g. only "fact-check" articles that…

Yes I think the cons of this outweigh the pros. Ultimately, people will stop getting their information on FB if it becomes too obvious it is being skewed unfairly.

Only people who don't share that bias would leave.
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